http://www.semiaccurate.com/2010/10/18/nvidia-gtx580-paper-launch-next-month/
Available maybe Feb 2011
Available maybe Feb 2011
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Nvidia to paper launch GTX580 in November
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This really isn't a paper launch, paper launches are when you launch a card 3 or 4 days before there actually available at 3 months this in my book is just an official announcement of a new and up and coming product.
That’s a rather low increase in performance over Nvidia’s last generation of cards so I would take that 17% with a pinch of salt but there is some credibility if you consider how close the GTX480 is to the 300 watt TDP PCI-E spec.
That’s a rather low increase in performance over Nvidia’s last generation of cards so I would take that 17% with a pinch of salt but there is some credibility if you consider how close the GTX480 is to the 300 watt TDP PCI-E spec.
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IF its literally a bigger gf104, then in no way at all should it be a 580gtx, if it had a new bus added, at least it would be marginally different.
2900xt to 3870, it went down two nodes, dropped in price, used less than half the power and dropped from a 1mb internal bus to a 512bit and a 512bit external memory bus to a 256bit. Those are some dramatic changes, even without dramatic speed changes, to call it a different generation of product.
A GF104 with more shaders, with the same architecture with the same performance per shader, that really would be laughable to call a 580gtx.
WE'll have to wait and see I guess, the idea of Nvidia paper launching anything to spoil an AMD launch rings true, Fermi clearly wasn't even close to being ready, didn't stop Nvidia last year.
IF its really just a bigger GF104 it could have snuck through without the usual taping out rumours. It is generally "new" cores, new architectures we tend to hear about taping out. I would have expected a real 580gtx, or at least a GF100 + 512bit bus, + a tweaked design to actually try and get a working 512 shader part available to need a proper tape out and with more bandwidth and a few more shaders could potentially have given them a 20-25% speed boost.
THe painful problem would be if their "fixes" for yields end up needing yet another spin on a Fermi product, in which case Jan/Feb goes out the window.
THe PCI-E spec, honestly doesn't matter all that much. A 295gtx broke it, a 4870x2 broke it, a 5970 overclocked to "normal" clocks or beyond broke it.
THe 480gtx was insane in power ONLY because it wanted 60-65% more power to give 15-25% more performance max. If it was 65% more power, 65% more performance, meh, who cares.
The thing is though, GF104 =48 shader clusters, so multiples of 48 shaders. Unless its changed, it would have to be 480 or 576 shaders(because you wouldn't make an 11 shader cluster card, it would be a mess). Which again I can see, if they can't get a full yield 384shader card, the likelyhood is going for a 576shader card and then disabling 1 or 2 clusters to increase yields. a 480shader GF104 would still be faster than a normal GF100 with 480shaders, not hugely, but enough.
THey could alter the shader ratios again though, back to 32? 48 is unnecessarily high, one fault in one cluster and you lose 48 shaders.
2900xt to 3870, it went down two nodes, dropped in price, used less than half the power and dropped from a 1mb internal bus to a 512bit and a 512bit external memory bus to a 256bit. Those are some dramatic changes, even without dramatic speed changes, to call it a different generation of product.
A GF104 with more shaders, with the same architecture with the same performance per shader, that really would be laughable to call a 580gtx.
WE'll have to wait and see I guess, the idea of Nvidia paper launching anything to spoil an AMD launch rings true, Fermi clearly wasn't even close to being ready, didn't stop Nvidia last year.
IF its really just a bigger GF104 it could have snuck through without the usual taping out rumours. It is generally "new" cores, new architectures we tend to hear about taping out. I would have expected a real 580gtx, or at least a GF100 + 512bit bus, + a tweaked design to actually try and get a working 512 shader part available to need a proper tape out and with more bandwidth and a few more shaders could potentially have given them a 20-25% speed boost.
THe painful problem would be if their "fixes" for yields end up needing yet another spin on a Fermi product, in which case Jan/Feb goes out the window.
THe PCI-E spec, honestly doesn't matter all that much. A 295gtx broke it, a 4870x2 broke it, a 5970 overclocked to "normal" clocks or beyond broke it.
THe 480gtx was insane in power ONLY because it wanted 60-65% more power to give 15-25% more performance max. If it was 65% more power, 65% more performance, meh, who cares.
The thing is though, GF104 =48 shader clusters, so multiples of 48 shaders. Unless its changed, it would have to be 480 or 576 shaders(because you wouldn't make an 11 shader cluster card, it would be a mess). Which again I can see, if they can't get a full yield 384shader card, the likelyhood is going for a 576shader card and then disabling 1 or 2 clusters to increase yields. a 480shader GF104 would still be faster than a normal GF100 with 480shaders, not hugely, but enough.
THey could alter the shader ratios again though, back to 32? 48 is unnecessarily high, one fault in one cluster and you lose 48 shaders.
You must have been in a cave mate as he has been pretty much bang on recently about ATI and Nvidia cards
Certain people still refuse to consider anything he says because they can't handle his negativity towards nVidia.
I'm sorry but if any members on here carried on the way SA does with all the Nvidia negativity and AMD fanboy extremism they would get a ban ASAP. He's a muppet that recycles old news " as shown by the article linked to by the OP " there is nothing special about his articles. If there is an element of truth in them it's usually coincidence.
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At least you know where you stand with Charlie the same can't be said for some other journalists.
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I agree he is totally over the top with his hatred of Nvidia, however as I recall throughout the fermi debacle he was often first with the news and it generally turned out to be correct.
Overall I enjoy reading his 'ramblings' - Sometimes accurate sometimes not.
I believe that everyone knows that if he has a preference it's for AMD (or,in the alternative he hates nvidia) and his comments have to be read with such in mind.
BUT to start with an assertion that nvidia will be trying to spoil AMD's due launch - I do not believe it !!! I cannot imagine either AMD or Nvidia ever doing such a thing; it's unheard of / un-gentlemanly - even 'businesslike' (an evil word!!).
What does he expect nvidia to do - bend over and smile?
AND to finish with......As I read it -'Well I don't really know what nvidia may be up to so lets have another go at Fermi 'etc
Got a bit ... 'Sad' really
I believe that everyone knows that if he has a preference it's for AMD (or,in the alternative he hates nvidia) and his comments have to be read with such in mind.
BUT to start with an assertion that nvidia will be trying to spoil AMD's due launch - I do not believe it !!! I cannot imagine either AMD or Nvidia ever doing such a thing; it's unheard of / un-gentlemanly - even 'businesslike' (an evil word!!).
What does he expect nvidia to do - bend over and smile?
AND to finish with......As I read it -'Well I don't really know what nvidia may be up to so lets have another go at Fermi 'etc
Got a bit ... 'Sad' really
I agree with straxusii on this one Raven. You might not like the obvious biased tone to his articles but he has been bang on the money too many times for it to be coincidence.
I certainly remember Raven taking the ramblings of this 'negative' 'muppet' at face value when he owned an ATI card, not he's got an Nvidia.........
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Na, given the bile directed at Nvidia's way is more like a Daily Mail rant about Britain’s immigration policy.
I am guessing someone made it up to get some site traffic..
The thing is Nvidia will have to release something at some point so people will claim that this was reported by these before anyone else.
The old saying of throw enough **** and some of it will stick, is my guess.
The thing is Nvidia will have to release something at some point so people will claim that this was reported by these before anyone else.
The old saying of throw enough **** and some of it will stick, is my guess.
I won't buy ATI unless it's a lot better in price/performance. I've owned a couple ATI cards in the past, and all either died of gave lots of problems with crashing, etc.
The nV cards I've had have been near faultless. They also work in Linux.
So why are we "silly" for wanting nV to have answers for all ATI's cards?
Well you know he is full of BS spouting extremely biased garbage recycled from old news form other websites.
Therefore you know to ignore everything on SA. Simple