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***2GB Vram Again & High res & eyefinty should take note***
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Interesting article, even at 2560x the 1GB cards were feeling the pain big time in some titles, I hope the 69** come with more than 1GB of ram because these enthusiast cards should cope at max rez and not be held back by their vram.
Seems to be a huge improvement in Metro. Interesting they haven't tested any 68xx cards - probably as there are no 2GB cards atm. Still, I'd like to see how the tweaked cores cope.
I think though that 2GB will only really be important when 2560 x 1440 becomes more commonplace.
I wonder what % of people game at 2560x1600? . . . and what % of those who do game at 2560x1600 use 0xAA . . . and what % use 2xAA and what % use 4XAA . . . and what % use 8xAA . . .
Would it be safe to "assume" that the amount of worldwide gamers that play at 2560x1600, 4XAA/8XAA, Ultra High settings is "ballpark" 1%
I wonder what the price premium is for moving from a 1Gb card to 2GB card? . . . then double this premium for Crossfire and triple this premium for TriFire . . . sounds bargaintastic to me . . . where do I sign up!
Would it be safe to "assume" that the amount of worldwide gamers that play at 2560x1600, 4XAA/8XAA, Ultra High settings is "ballpark" 1%
I wonder what the price premium is for moving from a 1Gb card to 2GB card? . . . then double this premium for Crossfire and triple this premium for TriFire . . . sounds bargaintastic to me . . . where do I sign up!
I wonder what % of people game at 2560x1600? . . . and what % of those who do game at 2560x1600 use 0xAA . . . and what % use 2xAA and what % use 4XAA . . . and what % use 8xAA . . .
Would it be safe to "assume" that the amount of worldwide gamers that play at 2560x1600, 4XAA/8XAA, Ultra High settings is "ballpark" 1%
I wonder what the price premium is for moving from a 1Gb card to 2GB card? . . . then double this premium for Crossfire and triple this premium for TriFire . . . sounds bargaintastic to me . . . where do I sign up!
And 2 GB cards are aimed at the 2560x1600 & up users.
The % of 2560x1600 users is irrelevant as it does exist & needs a gfx card that is made for that res & for what ever they want to throw at it & it should only be limited by its raw grunt & not a ram limitation.
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Wayne to be fair it is aimed at the extreme high end
some of those results are wow, where as some are meh, would be interesting to see it across something like 100 different titles to try and get more of a picture tbh
some of those results are wow, where as some are meh, would be interesting to see it across something like 100 different titles to try and get more of a picture tbh
I'm asking the question how many people (or what %) game at 2560x1600, Ultra High 4xAA/8xAA? . . . I'm not asking if you think this is relevant or not relevant?
. . .I'm also asking what is the price premium for the extra 1GB of vRam? . . . these are relevant questions for anyone considering the step up surely? . . . . and knowing the answers to these questions would help those people "consider" if the price premium was worth it or whether they could wing it with 1GB cards and just use 0xAA or 2xAA? . . . I would imagine that such a high res as 2560x1600 would have a natural anti-aliasing effect anyway? . . .
Haha now lets state the obvious shall we? . . . what is being said that is unfair btw?
I'm asking the question how many people (or what %) game at 2560x1600, Ultra High 4xAA/8xAA? . . . I'm not asking if you think this is relevant or not relevant?
I'm also asking what is the price premium for the extra 1GB of vRam? . . . these are relevant questions for anyone considering the step up surely? . . . . and knowing the answers to these questions would help those people "consider" if the price premium was worth it or whether they could wing it with 1GB cards and just use 0xAA or 2xAA? . . . I would imagine that such a high res as 2560x1600 would have a natural anti-aliasing effect anyway? . . .
Haha now lets state the obvious shall we? . . . what is being said that is unfair btw?
But your argument seems to come across as there is a product that exists that is some way unnecessary & with to much assumptions
4X AA is when things start to really smooth out & depending on the game as much as 8x & 16x is needed to look smooth but there are a few games that x2 & even x0 is liveable.
If the GPU has the power to run high level of AA at high res & the users wants to do so & is willing to pay for it then there is every right for that product to exist & be bought.
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It was a special one off, but I got it from the bay and it wasn't gaining much in the way of interest, so I grabbed it for a great price.
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Here in lies the problem, read the graph again, at 4xaa though a single 5870 2gb only gives 19fps, assuming these are averages, thats simply unacceptable performance.
What most of them show is, a single 5870, it simply doesn't have the performance to push most games at top settings with high AA at extreme resolutions.
If you plan to use 2 or 3 cards and want to game at those resolutions though, 2gb might well be worth it.
Thing is 90% of people on this forum don't use xfire, let alone trifire, maybe that do still don't use a 2560x1600 sized screen.
In 99.9% of situations 1GB is plenty, for now.
The results are also, odd to say the least.
Why in single card config would the 1gb/2gb card have matching performance, or within 1fps, and in dual/trifire setup the difference be night and day, xfire increasing memory usage and it just happens to be right on the limit in single card mode, doesn't seem that likely, especially as it happened on more than one game.
I'd suggest the benchmarks are inaccurate, in Total war they perform identically in single card, then in dual/tri only the 2gb scales, personally I think he had a problem somewhere as the results just don't add up.
The thing is for me that even in a LOT of those titles, that high res you can still use 2x aa or 4xaa before the memory limit kicks in.
I mean, Stalker, would anyone really be happy with a single card and running at 24fps, would anyone spend £600 on 5870 xfire and get 40fps average, probably 20fps lows, what about £900 on 5870 trifire and 60fps average?
So realistically you'd be dropping down to 2xaa at the most due to the performance anyway, at which point, the memory situation evapourates.
I think for the past 10 years you've been able to cherry pick results, often with unplayable/undesirable results to draw a conclusion.
Then theres the new AA mode to consider, if its quality increases even more over time with driver improvements, I actually haven't read up enough about it, but as its a post processing effect, I would expect it wouldn't dramatically raise memory usage like normal AA does.
So in the future, might we not see more people using lower memory post processing based AA thats also much lighter on performance, at which point the very few situations that benefited from 2gb might dissappear.
If you've got more money than sense, or more money than you care about it would be a little strange not to go with the 2gb versions. If you want value for money and performance based on the money you spent, out of all those resolution/AA combo's that use too much memory, only 1 or 2 result in playable FPS.
Strange to me that they're even making cards specifically aimed at eyefinity multi monitor setups with 1GB gram.
Most eyefinity resolutions are 5760x1200/1080 and the cards are lacking the memory, something I'd imagine is the least expensive part of the card?
i've had my 3 24" for like 3 months now, just waiting for that 6970 to run eyefinity, i held off getting a 2gb 5870 for all this time...
Most eyefinity resolutions are 5760x1200/1080 and the cards are lacking the memory, something I'd imagine is the least expensive part of the card?
i've had my 3 24" for like 3 months now, just waiting for that 6970 to run eyefinity, i held off getting a 2gb 5870 for all this time...
currently running eyefinity 5760/1080 with a 5850, so far the titles I have played.
CSS (turned aa from full to 4x and had to turn down af as well in order to keep above 60fps)
F1 2010 (Went from all settings high with 8aa 1080p, to the same but with 2aa running eyefinity)
Dirt (Same as F1 2010)
More games need to be tested but so far even without an overclock all my games have been more than playable on high with only aa or af turned down a little. To be honest im impressed with even the 5850's performance in eyefinity.
CSS (turned aa from full to 4x and had to turn down af as well in order to keep above 60fps)
F1 2010 (Went from all settings high with 8aa 1080p, to the same but with 2aa running eyefinity)
Dirt (Same as F1 2010)
More games need to be tested but so far even without an overclock all my games have been more than playable on high with only aa or af turned down a little. To be honest im impressed with even the 5850's performance in eyefinity.
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So at that high res you run all your games at max?
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no way he can
some of my games struggle at max on the same res with a highly oced 5970
no way he can
some of my games struggle at max on the same res with a highly oced 5970
2GB Vram is of less use if it can not be matched with the grunt needed to push that amount of data fast enough.
But in rare cases its not all about how fast you can move such data & just about needing to hold it.
With bezel adjustment my res is about the same. Works a treat... The only settings I have needed to slide down on any game (so far) is the AA and AF.
edit: sorry I lie, about the same but 6076*1080
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