Brit cop punch man 5 times in the face.

Burnsy2023 said:
From what I saw, it looks like he was punched as he was trying to grab the taser. That's a potentially very dangerous situation to be in.
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Whether he did that or not, I'm sure that's what the officers' statements will say.

edit: Just had a look again - the officer on his neck failed to control the suspect's arms then instead of grabbing the arm to correct his mistake, he decides 4 punches to the face is a better option.
 
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Swifty55 said:
I doubt 95% of the people who watched the video even noticed that. :rolleyes:
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It's also important to realise that what happened before the video was taken was also very relevant. If the suspect was exceptionally violent before and this was taken during a lull in the violence, higher level force would be more appropriate. That's why having the unedited and full picture is very important before making a judgement.
 
Burnsy2023 said:
It's also important to realise that what happened before the video was taken was also very relevant. If the suspect was exceptionally violent before and this was taken during a lull in the violence, higher level force would be more appropriate. That's why having the unedited and full picture is very important before making a judgement.
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Woah, don't overstep there Burnsy. Will get all the haters onto you! ;)

100% agree, there's more than meets the eye.
 
Makunouchi said:
At no point should a police officer ever be punching someone in the head. Jesus Christ what's wrong with you people?

They have many ways of restraining someone during an arrest and of course get training how to do that while keeping themselves safe, but at no point should they be punching people in the head, there's no justification for it in any circumstances no matter what you'd like to think.

They have tasers, mace etc, many ways to incapacitate someone that won't cause permanent damage. You can literally and factually kill someone with a single bare knuckled punch to the head, it's incredibly dangerous.
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If someone attacked me with a knife and a was struggling with them on the floor, I wouldn't hesitate to punch them in the head. I would consider my actions reasonable too. You can't make blanket assertions like that.

*Just realised Von said pretty much the same thing*

dowie said:
They do actually - they have much greater powers of arrest than we do.

If you're performing a citizens arrest you're simply trying to hold someone there while the police arrive - the police officers are actually trying to handcuff the suspect and put him into a van. You don't have the power to handcuff someone and so the fact someone is struggling when you perform a citizens arrest wouldn't justify the same use of force as a police officer who is trying to charge a suspect and bring him in for questioning.
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Normal citizens have the power to handcuff people. That's how some bouncers/staff a Thorpe park etc carry them.
 
platinum87 said:
Well theres a video, regardless of what has happened before, there was no need for that.

What i see is a lack of proper training, and thus a lack in efficiency, and ive seen this before.. (well not the taser+punches) but an arrest you think takes 1 minute, taking 10minutes + (after the guy is on the ground).
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What is your training/experience in dealing with violent people on a day to day basis that informs this opinion?
 
It doesn't look good from the footage for the two officers, but we have no context on which to base whether the response was warranted or not.

It is difficult for most people to imagine a job where you are likely to be assaulted, attacked or harmed on a daily basis and the pressure that puts you under.

Any city centre on a Friday and Saturday night is like a war-zone for the Police, needing to deal with idiots who cannot behave themselves after a shandy or two and it is not surprising that the response to such fools is quick and aggressive.

Detaining an individual who is both drunk and aggressive is not an easy thing to do regardless of what training you have and I doubt most of the people commenting negatively here are aware or have experience of dealing with such incidents or people.
 
Aliboy said:
Thugs and cowards :confused: There's a contradiction if I ever heard one :rolleyes:

I know a few police officers and I was a bouncer myself many moons ago. Try working a city centre night club at the weekend when people want to have a square go with you because you won't let them in because they're trollied. That's the door persons fault huh? Maybe I shouldn't have stepped in to break up the numerous fights I'd witnessed and just told the wife/girlfriend of the fella's face that was getting stamped on that I didn't want my tux getting ripped or blood on my new shoes? Her crying and pleading for someone to help him should mean nothing to me right? Maybe the police shouldn't bother trying to do the same either? It would be a lot easier for us to all stand about and do nothing would it not?

Your post reeks of bitterness and hatred for a group of men and women who really only want to get their shift over with so that they can go back to their own families in one piece. Sometimes that doesn't happen, but we all deserve what we get I suppose huh?

Your point may be valid to you in your own justification of it all and I reckon that should your house ever get broken into, your car stolen or you being threatened by violence then you won't bother calling the police to help you, nahhhhh ..... didn't think so :rolleyes:
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I wholey agree with your comments.

But at the end of the day, bouncers and the police choose this career path. You know what goes on, and have the choice to quit.
 
I'd like to see someone get tasered and not instinctively go to grab the gun. Exactly that happened to me, I was having my face held down in to pepper spray and I went to push it out of the way. This in court changed to an attempted assault on an officer with a weapon. In the whole affair with me the police used far, far too much force and tried to justify it by bringing assault charges on me. When I pointed out that the entire story made no sense, and the officers statements didn't even match despite them all supposedly being there (a good couple of them werent even there, but on route at the time), they all changed their story. Then again. Despite their constant obvious lies, over reaction and excessive use of force.. I ended up paying the officer compensation for assault, for a broken fly zip and belt :rolleyes:

The reason they reacted so harshly to me was supposedly because they thought I had a weapon on me. God knows why, I've never carried a weapon in my life.. Just more lies.

And Aliboy - I understand police, bouncers etc. can have challenging jobs, and they are by no means all thugs and cowards. However, some are, and they choose their job, and have training to deal with the situations that arise. It is not an excuse to deal with a challenging situation badly if you yourself chose to put yourself in such a position where you need to - That is what training is for.
 
Castiel said:
Exactly. it is difficult to detain and subdue a fully grown man in any circumstances, least of all when he is both drunk and violent.
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im guessing its a lot harder after you've just tazered him.

if you can get your hands free to punch his face then im guessing with some training you can grab his wrists and cuff them together

Detaining an individual who is both drunk and aggressive is not an easy thing to do regardless of what training you have and I doubt most of the people commenting negatively here are aware or have experience of dealing with such incidents or people.
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hm id argue that they need better training if they have to resort to punching someone in the face like that. If the police cannot chase an individual on a bike whilst he is not wearing a helmet, then how can they punch someone to the head like that in other circumstances? its unjustifiable.
 
Nickg said:
if you can get your hands free to punch his face then im guessing with some training you can grab his wrists and cuff them together
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You guess wrong. People who are in drink or drugs can sometimes muster great strength. If someone kicks off, getting them fully restrained with only two officers is an achievement in itself.
 
Nickg said:
im guessing its a lot harder after you've just tazered him.

if you can get your hands free to punch his face then im guessing with some training you can grab his wrists and cuff them together



hm id argue that they need better training if they have to resort to punching someone in the face like that. If the police cannot chase an individual on a bike whilst he is not wearing a helmet, then how can they punch someone to the head like that in other circumstances? its unjustifiable.
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Like Burnsy said, you'd guess wrong. wrestling with someone is difficult, especially when he is full of alcohol and is largely anaesthetised to pain.
 
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