Brit cop punch man 5 times in the face.

You guess wrong. People who are in drink or drugs can sometimes muster great strength. If someone kicks off, getting them fully restrained with only two officers is an achievement in itself.

Aye, IIRC we (as humans in general) only ever use about 20-25% of our muscle strength day to day - as the body risks serious damage if we use it all, and the muscles themselves are evolved to share the load (some cells basically rest whilst others continue the job).
From memory the muscles in the human body (or at least certain ones) are more than strong enough when used at full potential to cause major harm to the body, hence the normal automatic limiting function the brain imposes (IIRC the arm muscles can provide enough force that they'll tear themselves free from the anchor points as an example).

When someone is drunk/on drugs or under extreme levels of stress (high adrenaline for example) the body can/does ignore the normal safety limits, and that small timid looking fellow, suddenly becomes a lot harder to handle.
It's why certain drugs are considered so dangerous, and why you get reports of people lifting cars etc to get to someone under them.

I've seen it take 4-5 people to stop a single, smallish but very drunk woman in the past.


The video looks very bad for the officers involved, but the video doesn't show everything (for one thing the officers themselves will be blocking the view of some of what was going on).


Rapid, is that the clip of the "OAP" who'd already driven off from the police whilst they were doing a check because he'd committed an offence?
The OAP who ignored the police who were then following him for something like 15 minutes with their lights and sirens, the police who then when he finally stopped used a home office approved method to distract him/immobilise the car and get the keys before he could drive off again, without causing any physical harm to him?
I thought so.
 
Oh, I see. You're trying to say that all Police officers are exactly the same and that all cases are exactly the same. Of course. That makes sense :rolleyes:

No, i'm saying that these people are the ''Law'' and there is absoloutley no excuse for this ever happening in this country. here we have 2 cases in 2 months. imagine the stuff we don't hear about?
 
Werewolf

Rapid, is that the clip of the "OAP" who'd already driven off from the police whilst they were doing a check because he'd committed an offence?
The OAP who ignored the police who were then following him for something like 15 minutes with their lights and sirens, the police who then when he finally stopped used a home office approved method to distract him and get the car keys before he could drive off again, without causing any physical harm to him?
I thought so.[/quote]

I only posted that to play devils advocate:D. But my orignal post still stands. You said it yourself "Home office approved method" punching in the face is not a Home office approved method. a batton to the head is, pepper spray in eyes is..but puching in the face is a no no.
 
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No, i'm saying that these people are the ''Law'' and there is absoloutley no excuse for this ever happening in this country. here we have 2 cases in 2 months. imagine the stuff we don't hear about?

The thousands of arrests that happen daily with no incident?
 
The thousands of arrests that happen daily with no incident?

exactly as it should be, there should be no incidents like this. God help us if this country ever gets to the point where violence from police officers is ''acceptable''. if you're in the hands of a police officer, in the eyes of the Law, you're still innocent until proven guilty
 
Werewolf

Rapid, is that the clip of the "OAP" who'd already driven off from the police whilst they were doing a check because he'd committed an offence?
The OAP who ignored the police who were then following him for something like 15 minutes with their lights and sirens, the police who then when he finally stopped used a home office approved method to distract him and get the car keys before he could drive off again, without causing any physical harm to him?
I thought so.

I only posted that to play devils advocate:D. But my orignal post still stands. You said it yourself "Home office approved method" punching in the face is not a Home office approved method.[/QUOTE]


No, but the foot through the window of the OAP's car was.

And without knowing what actually happened in the original video, we don't know if the level of force the police used was proportionate and legitimate.
Remember the police can use force to restrain someone who has committed an offence, and anyone can use any level of force that could realistically be considered reasonable to defend themselves or others from an immediate threat.

We don't know what the guy was doing, it could be that the police needed to restrain him and everything with less force they'd tried had failed, and that was the final resort (especially if backup was not near enough to come to immediate assistance).
As Burnsy says it can take 4-5 people to restrain one drunk or drugged up idiot - if you've just got yourself and one colleague with no sign of additional help in sight, that punching might be the only way to get the job done without either yourself, or your colleague getting seriously hurt (and is a lot less likely to seriously hurt the person getting hit, than other options such as the baton).

I won't condemn the officers based purely on one video - as oddly enough I do trust the police to a degree, and also believe in the old "innocent until proven guilty", rather than the "guilty as a picture says it all"
 
If things that should never happen never happened, we wouldn't need the police force in the first place.

err yes, quite. we are talking about the Law enforcement doing wrong here. if joe public strikes a man, he is done for assault, if joe public drags a woman across a floor, he is done for assault and wears the badge 'woman beater'. a police officer does it, he loses his job ...... if he/she is caught that is. these people are supposed to protect.
 
I only posted that to play devils advocate:D. But my orignal post still stands. You said it yourself "Home office approved method" punching in the face is not a Home office approved method.

No, but the foot through the window of the OAP's car was.

And without knowing what actually happened in the original video, we don't know if the level of force the police used was proportionate and legitimate.
Remember the police can use force to restrain someone who has committed an offence, and anyone can use any level of force that could realistically be considered reasonable to defend themselves or others from an immediate threat.

We don't know what the guy was doing, it could be that the police needed to restrain him and everything with less force they'd tried had failed, and that was the final resort (especially if backup was not near enough to come to immediate assistance).
As Burnsy says it can take 4-5 people to restrain one drunk or drugged up idiot - if you've just got yourself and one colleague with no sign of additional help in sight, that punching might be the only way to get the job done without either yourself, or your colleague getting seriously hurt (and is a lot less likely to seriously hurt the person getting hit, than other options such as the baton).

I won't condemn the officers based purely on one video - as oddly enough I do trust the police to a degree, and also believe in the old "innocent until proven guilty", rather than the "guilty as a picture says it all"

To be fair the cops had a taser and had just used it, the only thing I can see in their defence is the fact that there is a crowd gathering, however punching someone in the face isn't going to help calm that situation!
 
The officers used necessary force to stop the numpty from harming others and themselves. Out of context of the whole situation it looks like a Sun / Daily Mail "OMG POLIZ GO MAD!", but as explained by others in this thread that was a potentially dangerous situation.

Don't want to get punched in the face? Stop resisting arrest or stop acting like an asshat altogether that gets you in these situations in the first place.
 
Werewolf are you saying that the police NEVER do anything criminal?

No.

But a video or a picture rarely, if ever on it's own gives the full story - it can give you a snapshop of visible (to it) actions at that moment in time. I can't show you what happened before, what is happening at that moment out of it's view or what is being said (unless it's got a mic).
For example it can show the guy hitting someone, but it can't show that that someone might have shrugged off other forms of restraint and be trying to do something to one of the officers out of the view of the camera.

I know some police are "bad apples", but I also know that most of them are trying to do an often very hard job, often badly outnumbered in any situation that might go wrong, and working to expectations that are sometimes in the realms of fantasy (as seen by people commenting that the police should be shooting guns out of peoples hands*).

What I believe, is that the police should if there are accusations of wrong doing be investigated and not convicted on the spot based on a picture/video.
Indeed as it stands the Police are already subject to far more scrutiny than most of the "public", in that they don't just have to answer to the normal laws, but the likes of the professional standards.
They are ultimately human, doing a job that I think most people agree needs to be done (and will complain about if the police aren't seen to be doing it), and that sometimes results in a bad looking shot or video if taken without any context.

Unfortunately it seems that these days everyone is ready to shout "police brutality" if the police are seen to be using force to subdue someone, even before any thing other than a single picture is known (likewise they are quite happy to cry foul about police harassment for going after people for motoring offences, but also go on about why didn't the police do more to stop offenders when there is a major accident).


*Something I think Mythbusters tried and even when the hit was good, the gun didn't always get dropped.
 
err yes, quite. we are talking about the Law enforcement doing wrong here. if joe public strikes a man, he is done for assault, if joe public drags a woman across a floor, he is done for assault and wears the badge 'woman beater'. a police officer does it, he loses his job ...... if he/she is caught that is. these people are supposed to protect.

No system is perfect. There will always be problems in every institution, no matter how noble its aims.
 
As Burnsy says it can take 4-5 people to restrain one drunk or drugged up idiot - if you've just got yourself and one colleague with no sign of additional help in sight, that punching might be the only way to get the job done without either yourself, or your colleague getting seriously hurt (and is a lot less likely to seriously hurt the person getting hit, than other options such as the baton).

it takes 4-5 people or 1 with a tazer? seriously punching someone to the face that many times is not reasonable.
 
Hi Werewolf, you didnt answer my question?
which was = "are you saying that the police NEVER do anything criminal?"

I to wanted to be a policeman but changed my mind after seeing the movie Serpico with Al Pacino. After been stopped a few times and mistreated you dont want to become like them.

but the answer to my original question is .........Yes they too break the law.
 
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