Choice between bmw 320 and saab 9-3 2.0t

[TW]Fox;17682615 said:
We dont understand this because its a stupid theory. The problem is where do you draw the line? Once you start running a car it becomes more than just its purchase price.

So you buy a 500 quid car. Then you pay for an MOT and it needs £200 to get through. You are not going to bin it for the sake of 200 quid so you spend the money. Then it needs a couple of tyres at £100. Then something breaks but its only £150 and wont need doing again. Then something else goes but its only £90 and could happen on any car so you do that.

Then a £400 part goes. Do you chuck it away? It's only worth £500 right? Correct but hang on a sec since buying it you've already thrown £540 at it, so its a bit of a waste not to fix it, right?

Where is the line? It's all very well pretending you'll just bin it when it drops a bill but how many people can draw the line in practice?

You draw the line where you think "I'd rather buy a new car than spend £X on this pos". Or, like most people do, you just wait until the MOT man says "you're going to get X and Y welded to get it through, it's not going to be worth it", then scrap it or sell it on eBay to SAAB geek from Skeggy for £250.

Or, hopefully, you keep the car for a couple of years. You buy a couple of new tyres for it (£30 ditch finders probably, they'll still double the value of the car), maybe some breaks or a radiator. Then you get a new job or your gran leaves you some money, you sell the SAAB on eBay for £300 (crazy, £200 depreciation in two years) and buy yourself a proper can and face the real pains of car ownership.
 
You draw the line where you think "I'd rather buy a new car than spend £X on this pos".

And the more you spend here and there the further away that line is. Plus if its broken you wont sell it for anything like its value unless you fix it. Then... you may as well drive it.

Or, like most people do, you just wait until the MOT man says "you're going to get X and Y welded to get it through, it's not going to be worth it", then scrap it or sell it on eBay to SAAB geek from Skeggy for £250.

Errr yea, many cars will go on and on without ever needing welding done but needing loads of other work done instead. Not all failiures are MOT failiures!
 
[TW]Fox;17682703 said:
It doesnt seem like much but it is! It's loads when you add it up.

Yes, but the bills are "spread out", and that's what matters to cash strapped folk :).

Bangernomics can work extremely well but you've got to go in with your eyes COMPLETELY open.
 
Bangernomics only really works if you are really handy with a spanner and consider spending time in your garage getting oily as fun. Lots of people do - for these people bangernomics is a decent hobby and a great way of running a car on a budget.

For everyone else, though, who has to pay somebody else to fix things each time, bangernomics sucks.
 
I am poor, i cant afford to buy a decent car in one go. Thats why i buy heaps and ride them till they di and buy another one, till my recent bad luck with the small cars that plan worked out fine. Too many people are far too rich and dont understand that not everyone can go out and spend a few thousand on a car. Yes i know i have ruled out small cars, but as i have mentioned there is a reason, i feel a SAAB will have been looked after a lot better than some 15 year old micra or 306.

I cant catch the bus as i have to go to work at 4am as i clean at the college before i then go for lessons at 9 .

I also want to be able to drive something nice, is that so wrong to ask when you 24. Would be nice if people stopped judging, have you looked at the price of small cars? Well they are incredibly expensive compared to bigger ones and thats not because they are more reliable, its because they are more desirable plain and simple. For the same amount of miles age and condition a small car will cost double what a large car would.

As i am older i have cheaper insurance so dont have to try and fight for these expensive small cars, i can buy a decent large engined car.

I do do a lot of work myself, things like services, small problems that arise and for larger jobs there is always the friendly mechanic friend over the road to lend a hand.
 
I am poor, i cant afford to buy a decent car

I also want to be able to drive something nice, is that so wrong to ask when you 24.


i can buy a decent large engined car.

These statements contradict each other. When your budget for a car is 400 quid, you want maxi-reliability.

A BMW 320i is not a 'decent large engined car'. It is a 'sheddy liability of fail'. A £400 BMW is also not 'something nice'.
 
isnt the 9-3 a vectra underneath with a 2l turbo vauxhall engine+box?
tbh id find a a nice examble saab that has had recent cambelt+waterpump e.t.c then abuse it on the test drive to make sure it wont pop on you driving it home. dont expect to be lucky and nothing at all go wrong on it mind.
 
looks alright, haggle that down and youve probably got a nice car for the money. 2L is enough.

Sod the turbo thats another thing to go wrong, that cars got another 20 years in it yet.
 
No need to go on the defensive. No one is judging you, we're only trying to help. You just seem to be a little bit unrealistic in what you want.

Cheap "big" cars are cheap for a reason. No ifs, no buts, they just are.
 
[TW]Fox;17682780 said:
These statements contradict each other. When your budget for a car is 400 quid, you want maxi-reliability.

A BMW 320i is not a 'decent large engined car'. It is a 'sheddy liability of fail'. A £400 BMW is also not 'something nice'.

A £400 BMW is a lot better than any other small car you would get for the price, try a clapped out 18 year old peugeot 106.
I know which one i would rather have
 
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No need to go on the defensive. No one is judging you, we're only trying to help. You just seem to be a little bit unrealistic in what you want.

Cheap "big" cars are cheap for a reason. No ifs, no buts, they just are.

Yes big cars are cheap because no one wants them due to fuel prices these days, cheaper insurance easier to park etc.

You dont understand, big cars are cheap due to little demand, not due to problems.
Small cars are expensive due to high demand, not becuase a small car is anymore reliable than a large car.

I go to the car auction fairly regularly and you will see a 2001 fiesta in perfect condition with one owner will go for £1300 the same night a one ownered low mileage amazing condition jagiuar s type 3.0 goes for £1200.
 
Yes because people want a cheap run around with low cost maintenance, not a cheap to buy luxobarge with expensive maintenance.

Its not the perceived reliability that puts people off, its the actual running of the car. A set of tyres and brake replacement on a Jag will probably be more than half the initial outlay of the car. These are not faults, it's the keeping the car in a legal safe condition that costs money.
 
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Did someone say a 2.0 petrol Saab gets only 32mpg on a motorway run?! That's terrible!
 
This thread has now reached the smile and wave stage, good luck with what you get :)
 
A £400 BMW is a lot better than hat small other car you would get for the price, try a clapped out 18 year old peugeot 106.
I know which one i would rather have

anything is better than a 106. a soggy old bmw isnt better than anything. you'll buy one, it'll loose all its water then the headgasket will fail blah blah. it will cost you more in time, parts and effort to fix than sorting out a newer simpler car.get that bmw is better than other cars thing out of your head, for the money you have you wont be able to buy a reliable one.

diamond mark found you a 2L non turbo for £600 with a full years mot, that is what you need when you have to buy a cheap car, you can not afford to be fussy, so be sensible.. as so far you are not.
 
Did someone say a 2.0 petrol Saab gets only 32mpg on a motorway run?! That's terrible!

Well my 1.4 nissan sunny averages 22mpg so i would say it would not be much better on the motorway so 32mpg is good. Not everyone can afford decent new cars hat do brilliant mileage. All these claims of low mileage are rubbish, i find hardly any differnce between engine size, apart froma 1.4 diesel i had, that was awesome
 
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