I went ahead with the Insignia VXR

[Dangerous Dave]

An Insignia VXR after the morning sessions and a new set of brakes the day before.

I asked about the servicing they don't change the oil every day they get a full service when they head to another track where all the cars are given a proper look over and any worn parts replaced.

Some buyers may end up with the demo lap cars that the Touring car drivers were driving these were seriously abused the ones at Knockhill were getting a new passager tyre after every 90 minute half session due to the mainly right hand corners.

The cars were also being used for more days than just the public days that were advertised as I was on the first one and they had had a full day the day before which I assume was a corprate day or the like.

It is not new manufacturers putting the cars back on the used market a circuit used 20 Mk2 Ibiza Cupra Rs as track training cars for a year and these hit the Seat approved market it was easy to tell where they came from as they had had a full cage fitted so lifting the carpet around the rear suspension turrets showed the welding marks.

 

[Relentless81]

It is not new manufacturers putting the cars back on the used market a circuit used 20 Mk2 Ibiza Cupra Rs as track training cars for a year and these hit the Seat approved market it was easy to tell where they came from as they had had a full cage fitted so lifting the carpet around the rear suspension turrets showed the welding marks.

If thats true that is so grim

 

[Steedie]

Mike, I've stayed out of all these threads that have turned against you recently, but this one you really need to stop

You really are coming across as someone who can't admit defeat. I love my cars, but have very little knowledge as to the goings on under the bonnet but even I know and understand why a car run in doing motorway journeys will be healthier than one thrashed around a track all day every day

 

[MikeHiow]

Hard track use is more punishing on every single component of a car than driving up the M1 with carpet samples in the boot. How anyone can dispute that is just nonsensical! We shouldnt even NEED to have people who raced Ferraris telling you that you are wrong.

Heck even my Gran could probably tell you that you are wrong. It's that basic!

You are straying from my original point again. As that isn't what I said.

Sure its more stressful (I even concede this point in one of my previous posts). I said I had higher hopes for an engine that has had a hard life for a few days but maintained properly, than one that had what most would see as an easy life but not maintained properly.

This is the problem, once you lot have your pitchforks in hand there is no relent, but more twisting and arguing a completely different version of my comments. You are so convincing in your clinical arguing that even I have believed your twisted version of what I've said on more than one occasion.

 

[DM]

Its that time again, time to nod smile and wave.

I dont know why you dont just do what i do when im talking ****** drunk at night, you say "as it goes im talking ****** cos im drunk", everyone rolls eyes and thinks he's drunk again and you carry on the next day when your sensible, but not you, 10 pages every time your wrong.

 

[Fr0dders]

I asked about the servicing they don't change the oil every day they get a full service when they head to another track where all the cars are given a proper look over and any worn parts replaced.

This year they were only at thruxton for more than 1 day, and even then it was only two wasnt it ? The rest they were only there for 1 day, thus got a service after 1 day at each track..

Regardless, they still got services and fresh oil very frequently.

 

[DRZ]

No you didnt! You said this:

I'd rather buy a car that has been ragged but looked after properly, over and above service schedules than one that receives no care or attention apart from a trip to the dealer so they can rush a service through as quickly as possible once a year.

One that has been ragged only on track is even better, as the surface is pretty decent.

A car that receives maintenance to the manufacturers schedule (as you stated) but is driven normally is going to be in far better mechanical condition compared to one ragged around a track, irrespective of how well serviced the tracked car is.

 

[Fr0dders]

Sure its more stressful (I even concede this point in one of my previous posts).

and now the backtrack begins

 

[[TW]Fox]

You are straying from my original point again. As that isn't what I said.

Sure its more stressful (I even concede this point in one of my previous posts). I said I had higher hopes for an engine that has had a hard life for a few days but maintained properly, than one that had what most would see as an easy life but not maintained properly.

We are talking sub 12 month old cars! Even if you are a numpty who never services it you wont even have missed a service yet! A normal use car wont even have had its first service.

How do you not maintain a motorway VXR properly? Heck I doubt it would even have needed an oil topup yet!

This thread is specifically about sub 12 month old Insignia VXR's.

I cannot think of a single realistic scenario whereby you'd be better off with the ex-track cars! Not one!

Its all very well you pretending you meant you'd rather have a track-abused one than one that somebody has not looked after for 5 years but this thread isnt and has never been about that sort of car anyway, its totally irrelevent.

Your point was clear to us all. Dont try and change what you meant.

 

[pcoltrane]

I said I had higher hopes for an engine that has had a hard life for a few days but maintained properly, than one that had what most would see as an easy life but not maintained properly.

But this is still wrong! If you didn't touch anything on an engine that only saw normal (or even hard) road use for the first 10k (or probably even 30k miles) it would still be in better shape than one that had done a few hard days on a track!

And that's the point - you are totally misjudging how hard track use is on a car!

 

[Mr^B]

I can't keep up with the story changes. It's like Jackanory on acid.

 

[Dangerous Dave]

If thats true that is so grim

It had a been a while sice I read about them it was infact 12 cars but with only 60 odd yellow Cupra Rs in UK a 1 in 5 chance of buying a ex track car.

http://www.seatcupra.net/forums/showthread.php?t=135414

 

[Fr0dders]

as already said this is nothing new, Porsche Do it, Vauxhall Do it, BMW do it.

 

[DM]

as already said this is nothing new, Porsche Do it, Vauxhall Do it, BMW do it.

I wouldnt want an ex Porsche demo either, let alone the track day cars.

 

[Dangerous Dave]

This year they were only at thruxton for more than 1 day, and even then it was only two wasnt it ? The rest they were only there for 1 day, thus got a service after 1 day at each track..

Regardless, they still got services and fresh oil very frequently.

They were used for more track days than the advertised ones as at Knockhill they were there for at least 2 days when only one was advertised to the public. I assume these were corporate days etc.

 

[Relentless81]

It had a been a while sice I read about them it was infact 12 cars but with only 60 odd yellow Cupra Rs in UK a 1 in 5 change of buying a ex track car.

http://www.seatcupra.net/forums/showthread.php?t=135414

I just think its not on to do that, but maybe the buyers were told. You dont usually have 1500 miles on a pre-registered car so surely the buyers questioned it

 

[Firestar_3x]

I go away for 2 days to watch the NFL and this happens, legendary stuff.

 

[[ui]ICEMAN]

Time for me to bite on this one I guess. Since Wicksta's racing history wasn't enough for you, how about mine? I raced 2 seasons in the Ferrari challenge with 2 of our own race prepared 360's. Both of these had extreme mods to the cooling systems and were fairly unstressed engines yet we had to have them rebuilt every season at least once, not to mention the failures we had mid race.

If Ferrari's are too unreliable to satisfy you then how about the Goald, Evo VII RA and the Lola f1 cars that my dad and I hill climbed regularly? All of those required major maintenance throughout the season, something that would not have occurred driving to and from the event repeatedly.

Quoting myself simply because I want to reinforce my next point.

Which Lola were you racing iceman?

It was an original 1970's F1 car, I'll have to dig up some pics and specs for you when I'm back in the UK

Except one is a highly tuned race engine, enduring a whole season of abuse, and the other is a reasonably low state of tune that has to put up with it for a few days?

Ok. Since you appear to have missed something here, I'll highlight it for you. The Ferrari 360 *CHALLENGE* cars, are, funnily enough the 360CS that you see in my sig, one that you can buy from the showroom. The only modifications we make are tires/suspension/geo/lightening and a slight cooling rework by adding radiators. These are *road* cars, not esoteric track rockets designed purely with one purpose in mind.

 

[MikeHiow]

I had decided to sit out of this thread, but couldn't resist that one.

Yeah, that engine in the 360CS (be it standard, or otherwise) is just like a VXR engine.

 

[[TW]Fox]

Decided to sit out, just admit you are wrong and it all ends.

The time to sit out is before you post ridiculous opinions not after because you are too proud to just admit you were wrong.