African Elephants May Be Extinct As Early As 2020

Forde said:
Haha true! Maybe he's an evil genius and this is all part of his masterplan :confused::confused:
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Either that or he is the leader of a band of poachers, spends weeks filming the elephants, learning their patterns and where they like to go , all under the guise of being a "photographer", then he phones his poacher team and says this elephant will be here on Friday at midday, lets split the profit 50/50

I expect the elephants call him the Reaper
 
The thing is, what will the poachers do & how will China keep getting the Ivory it wants once all the elephants are dead? Don't the people who buy Ivory in this day & age care about the fate of the Elephant? If they don't care I find that very sad & selfish. :( :mad:
 
No, they don't care. The market is growing daily in the far east and other countries where they are used in things ranging from scupltures, ornate knife handles, games and even medicinal cures (iirc).

Once ivory is gone, black & white rhino horn will be next and then anything else that fashion dictates. A new fad in China is for Zebra skins, so they will be feeling the pinch too soon.
 
Here's me leapfrogging over a baby elephant
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And here he is trying to get a piggy back

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BlackCoat2k10 said:
Start shooting any 1 who has ivory, soon enough people will learn.
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Bit extreme ain't it, it are probably poor Africans trying to make some money to feed their kids, kind of the same situation like the Afghans growing poppies for heroin. They know it's wrong but they see no other way to make a living.

The thing is, an elephant isn't being outcompeted by us in evolutionary terms. We're killing it with superior firepower for no reason than because it has piano keys stuck in its face.
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imho it is, intelligence is also out competing, we beat them in evolutionary guns because we are smart enough to make guns and other weapons... It's not that that different as killing cows for food and seats and coats ain't it ? Or killing animals for their fur. The difference of course is that these are wild and nearly extinct animals, but the reason we kill them is the same, for our own benefit. It is indeed a shame as these days with plastics there's no need to kill them but some people obviously still want ivory, and others give in to that demand by hunting them.
 
snowdog said:
imho it is, intelligence is also out competing, we beat them in evolutionary guns because we are smart enough to make guns and other weapons... It's not that that different as killing cows for food and seats and coats ain't it ? Or killing animals for their fur. The difference of course is that these are wild and nearly extinct animals, but the reason we kill them is the same, for our own benefit. It is indeed a shame as these days with plastics there's no need to kill them but some people obviously still want ivory, and others give in to that demand by hunting them.
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The end of evolution (insofar as it has an end) is the successful reproduction of genetic code. Killing elephants for their ivory does not aid that.

Just because we are at the top of the food chain doesn't mean that all our disgusting actions on this planet can be explained away by evolution. It's greed.
 
Forde said:
Not up to your usual trolling, berk -sorry, kwerk :rolleyes:

Also, I'd be surprised if you'd ever get £30 spare so at least that's one elephant safe.
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Not trolling. I'd love to shoot an elephant, it's on my long term to-do list. I actually have a blaser r93 safari in 416 rem mag in my safe which I plan on taking to africa within the next 2 or 3 years. Probably won't get to kill an elephant, but something cheaper like zebra or hartebeast or something.
 
It's very sad but why is there a need for yet another foundation to be set up to deal with this sort of thing? It seems that everyone these days wants to make a charity, there are plenty of established ones the chap could have helped with.
 
Forde said:
Hell, let's just kill everything, then! It's okay, we did it in the past and it's natural selection! Now all we need is unlimited ammo woopwoop!
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Some people just don't like large dangerous animals, normally those that have to live near them. Just as you would not like rats living in or near your home, they don't like elephants. Would you mind elephants living wild in Hampshire, trashing you're place every now and again? How about some hippos?


Forde said:
Seriously though, we burned people at the stake in the past, doesn't mean we should do it now. I'd like to think that Homo Sapiens Sapiens is evolved enough to know some things are worth protecting, even if others of our species don't agree.
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Thats easy to say living in Hampshire and am sure it makes sense to protect them, from you're point of view. If your some **** poor African who struggles to feed his family and can't use the land, due to some chap from Hampshire
thinking them elephants need protecting and the land is set aside to enable this. Then chance is that he is going to kill and sell them tusks, to him that is the only worth they have.


Forde said:
Who knows, we may just need these guys sometime in the future.

I'm thinking of riding them into battle against the invading aliens, who's with me?
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A novelty in a zoo? A good feel factor? An interesting holiday to fill a gap year? Maybe a life of research grants? How about using them to kill Rhino?


A park ranger said he had witnessed an elephant knocking a rhino over, trampling it and driving a tusk through its chest.
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Are they really as nice as you think?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/642731.stm
 
vonhelmet said:
Same. I think if you're going to hunt, then it should be with the aim of killing and eating whatever you're catching.
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What difference does it make if you eat it or not? Nobody in the west is starving enough that they need to hunt animals to eat. Nobody needs to eat hamburgers either for that matter. Eating a hamburger is just culinary entertainment, and shooting a elephant is sport entertainment. There's no difference between a cow being killed for your gustatory masturbation and an elephant being killed for someone's thrill and excitement.

I'm a vegetarian and don't eat meat but hunt a lot. I mostly shoot varmints and predators which aren't eaten. Coyotes and prairie dog mostly, and if seen: bobcat, skunk, foxes, possums, badgers, etc.
 
Halfmad said:
It's very sad but why is there a need for yet another foundation to be set up to deal with this sort of thing? It seems that everyone these days wants to make a charity, there are plenty of established ones the chap could have helped with.
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There seems to be a charity for everything these days, I agree. I think Big Life was set up because there is no coordination for the rangers, Kenyan Wildlife Service, donations and other spokes of the wheel. Big Life will organise, control and make the whole thing practical and efficient it is hoped.

Also, it was strongly suspected that many of the rangers themselves were aiding the poachers.






PS Orcish-Horde, I don't agree with much you're saying but I won't start an argument ;D
 
Beautiful animals. We spent some time last year in Chobe Game Reserve in Botswana. There are over 50,000 elephants there and the number is increasing (this is the largest concentration of Elephants in Africa I believe). The authorities have considered a cull because of the numbers and the amount of damage that they can do.
I would post some of my pics but don't have any at work.
 
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