Do you believe in Life after Death.
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Listen right. I would call myself an atheist christian. Im atheist becusae I dont believe in a man up there chilling. Im Christian because I believe in their values. Now, people who are saying "our brains and lives are just impulses in our brain creating our senses which is our conciousness"
Ok, let me ask you this, when we dream, what do we see out of ? Our eyes, impossible because there is no light touching our eyes. What are the smells and tastes we have? Where do they come from. They are just memories that our brain is manipulating into the dream world . Now if they are just memories then when we die, those memories will disapear. but the Manipulator will live on.
Its like this, we have thoughts. where do they come from? They just pop up. Surely thats impossible, because atheists always say , where did God come from, he cant just appear from nothing. This is happening all the time by our thoughts, they appear and disapear. We cant control them, but we can become aware of them.
Ok, let me ask you this, when we dream, what do we see out of ? Our eyes, impossible because there is no light touching our eyes. What are the smells and tastes we have? Where do they come from. They are just memories that our brain is manipulating into the dream world . Now if they are just memories then when we die, those memories will disapear. but the Manipulator will live on.
Its like this, we have thoughts. where do they come from? They just pop up. Surely thats impossible, because atheists always say , where did God come from, he cant just appear from nothing. This is happening all the time by our thoughts, they appear and disapear. We cant control them, but we can become aware of them.
Yes, really. Note that I didn't say you were lying. It's possible that you believe what you write. But they are lies none the less.
And there's some more lies.
i) There is objective evidence for the big bang.
ii) You obviously don't know what the big bang theory covers, as you think it's the creation of the universe.
iii) If it is false, that does not mean that there is only one credible explanation left. Nor does it mean that your explanation is credible. It does, however, mean that you're a hypocrite too. You wrongly claim that there's no objective evidence for the big bang theory and that it must therefore be false. You put forward an unsupported statement of faith in its place, which obviously doesn't have any objective evidence supporting it. By your own argument, your faith is wrong.
iv) The big bang theory has no connection with evolution.
v) Evolution is a fact. The theory of evolution is an explanation for that fact. Even if the explanation was wrong (which seems very unlikely given how thoroughly and repeatedly and for how long it's been tested), that would not remove the fact.
vi) You claimed that scientific evidence overwhelmingly supports creationism. That is a lie. Pure and simple. A lie. Not merely a misunderstanding. Not merely ignorance. A lie. A deliberate false statement purely for the purpose of propaganda.
I don't know for sure whether you're a liar or a determinedly ignorant person repeating lies so you don't have to think, but I do know it's one or the other. Which makes it all the more bizarre that you would talk about scientists being unwilling to reconsider their worldview.
You can't be both. There are two absolute requirements to being a Christian:
i) Faith in the Abrahamic god as Creator.
ii) Faith in Christ as being at least a man teaching a true message from that god.
If you don't have both of those, you cannot be a Christian.
Which values do you think are exclusive only to Christianity? Why? Even if there were any (and there aren't), thinking those values are right would not make anyone a Christian.
I'm a yes.
I've experienced enough supernatural stuff that fits into a Christian context to be utterly convinced that there is a real spiritual dimension to existence.
I take the truth of Christian claims on life after death on trust, partly thanks to being satisfied with the above. I'm mainly convinced about Christ from a historical / academic basis though.
I think most people don't have a clue about what Christianity really teaches about life after death. I include many Christians in that.
I've experienced enough supernatural stuff that fits into a Christian context to be utterly convinced that there is a real spiritual dimension to existence.
I take the truth of Christian claims on life after death on trust, partly thanks to being satisfied with the above. I'm mainly convinced about Christ from a historical / academic basis though.
I think most people don't have a clue about what Christianity really teaches about life after death. I include many Christians in that.
it gets even more coincidental than that when you look at the mayans, egyptians and modern day amazonian tribes
the film 'enter the void' should interest you
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The only life after death is through the words of others. Within a generation or two almost everybody is 'dead' in a sense. Unless you're very famous. So e.g. Isaac Newton will deffo live on for ever.
The only life after death is through the words of others. Within a generation or two almost everybody is 'dead' in a sense. Unless you're very famous. So e.g. Isaac Newton will deffo live on for ever.
Yes you can Christian Atheism is a recognised ideology. The Christian Atheist believes that God never existed or that God is dead, but follows the teachings of Jesus Christ. Most think God is just a word to describe a concept of human ideals and morals and not some real supreme being.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/atheism/types/christianatheism.shtml
Duuuude - you can't seriously think tripping on DMT = near death experience. I've flown through space and shredded the very fabric of time whilst tripping, but I've never attributed it to anything other than the mind-binding effects of psychedelic drugs.
Feel free to share this evidence...
Funnily enough, someone posts this in every thread of this type, then never produces any evidence but then makes a post a page or so later claiming to have posted some but it not being good enough for the skeptics. Please feel free to buck this trend.
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Not overly bothered either way but would be nice to think I don't just rot!
Why? You're dead, what difference is it going to make to you? The whole life after death thing is just a psychological construct to help us to deal with our own and our loved ones mortality.
I agree with this too. luckily, I have never had a near death experience and hope not to.
Also, it can never be proved whether there is or isn't life after death.
The only life attributed to your body after death will be the worms eating your remains.
There's not one shred of genuine evidence of life after death regardless of all the phony mediums etc who cash in on the gullible minded.
Haunted houses and ghosts? where's the genuine photographic evidence for that or for that matter anything supernatural with practically everyone carrying a mobile with a camera these days
There's not one shred of genuine evidence of life after death regardless of all the phony mediums etc who cash in on the gullible minded.
Haunted houses and ghosts? where's the genuine photographic evidence for that or for that matter anything supernatural with practically everyone carrying a mobile with a camera these days
I'm about 60/40 in believing there is something out there...another plane or dimension that consciousness exists in.
There have also been some very odd things happen to friends and family that have yet to be explained.
Some of the most compelling evidence for me comes from people who were born blind at birth that during near death experience were able to see for the first time.
There have also been some very odd things happen to friends and family that have yet to be explained.
Some of the most compelling evidence for me comes from people who were born blind at birth that during near death experience were able to see for the first time.
I had a near death experience once and saw some kind of hobbit/dragon mutant kinda shape hovering over me.
I now believe in a species which is a merge of hobbits and dragons.
Same logic no?
In actual fact I was close to deaths door when i was 12. I was unconscious for 5 days and guess what it passed in an instant and was black. When you die you die that is the end. Live your life now, do not hold on to some whimsical belief that you’ll die and be in some wonder land.
Mind you I guess if my theory is correct there is no harm in believing in anything because you’ll never find out either way!
I now believe in a species which is a merge of hobbits and dragons.
Same logic no?
In actual fact I was close to deaths door when i was 12. I was unconscious for 5 days and guess what it passed in an instant and was black. When you die you die that is the end. Live your life now, do not hold on to some whimsical belief that you’ll die and be in some wonder land.
Mind you I guess if my theory is correct there is no harm in believing in anything because you’ll never find out either way!
Really
Religion has always bolstered our ego. We're important! We're special! And nothing more so than suggesting we're so special we're also immortal...
There is no God... There is no supernatural... There is no magic... The only way we are special is the long chain of events that have led to self awareness in this little corner of the universe... That's special enough surely though!
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What sort of argument is that? Surely that demonstrated even more evidence against the belief being founded?
It's nice to think we carry on... So there's plenty of reason for systems and people to endorse it. Doesn't mean it's valid though.