African Elephants May Be Extinct As Early As 2020

I was trying to be the bigger man as you clearly don't have much IQ to play with but since you insisted so politely I'll indulge:


Orcish-Horde said:
Some people just don't like large dangerous animals, normally those that have to live near them. Just as you would not like rats living in or near your home, they don't like elephants. Would you mind elephants living wild in Hampshire, trashing you're place every now and again? How about some hippos?
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The elephants that are being poached are generally in parks or reserves. The research I've done insists that contact with humans is often down to human encroachment upon their dwindling territory. They don't 'trash the place every now and then' for kicks like you suggest :rolleyes:


Orcish-Horde said:
Thats easy to say living in Hampshire and am sure it makes sense to protect them, from you're point of view. If your some **** poor African who struggles to feed his family and can't use the land, due to some chap from Hampshire
thinking them elephants need protecting and the land is set aside to enable this. Then chance is that he is going to kill and sell them tusks, to him that is the only worth they have.
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I've already said "Others are just damned poor local farmers who scratch a living out of crap earth and see a chance to feed their family for a year." I'm sympathetic to their plight (how can one not be?).

To prove the point, Amboseli park brings in a huge amount of revenue from tourists which in turn generates much-needed employment and income for local residents and this is directly due to the elephant herds - it is famous for being the best place in the entire continent for getting up close to them. But with the attacks there the elephants have lost their trust in humans.

So, even though a tusk or two might be worth nabbing now, protected herds would offer a chance for lifetime income for generations to come. Again, I've done my research and spoken to people out there in Kenya, where's your research?


Orcish-Horde said:
A novelty in a zoo? A good feel factor? An interesting holiday to fill a gap year? Maybe a life of research grants? How about using them to kill Rhino?
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Yeah, riding elephants into battle against aliens from space was clearly a joke. Well done for getting it. :p



Orcish-Horde said:
Are they really as nice as you think?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/642731.stm
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What a joke. You're actually suggesting that a the actions of a small group of animals should be the yardstick by which we measure an entire species. So, by your measure you're all of Northern Ireland's populace enjoy blowing up kids? No, I thought not.
 
Forde said:
I was trying to be the bigger man as you clearly don't have much IQ to play with but since you insisted so politely I'll indulge:
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Enough IQ to figure you have an agenda from reading this thread, protecting research funding or is this thread part of the funding? You're emotive posts are just asking to be trolled. ;)



Forde said:
The elephants that are being poached are generally in parks or reserves. The research I've done insists that contact with humans is often down to human encroachment upon their dwindling territory. They don't 'trash the place every now and then' for kicks like you suggest :rolleyes:.
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Parks and reserves put in place to prevent human expansion into what they would view as being theirs or what could be theirs. I never said they did it for kicks but am sure an animal like the elephant would do something like that every now and again. When the animal leave these parks and reserves and come into contact with humans all is hunky dorry? I think not...


Forde said:
I've already said "Others are just damned poor local farmers who scratch a living out of crap earth and see a chance to feed their family for a year." I'm sympathetic to their plight (how can one not be?).

To prove the point, Amboseli park brings in a huge amount of revenue from tourists which in turn generates much-needed employment and income for local residents and this is directly due to the elephant herds - it is famous for being the best place in the entire continent for getting up close to them. But with the attacks there the elephants have lost their trust in humans.

So, even though a tusk or two might be worth nabbing now, protected herds would offer a chance for lifetime income for generations to come. Again, I've done my research and spoken to people out there in Kenya, where's your research?.
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I don't need any research I don't really care about the extinction of animals that don't have a direct human use. Do you really think that all them people are going to make a living from tourisms, as that is what your saying? Will people really travel on mass to Africa just for the wild life and in turn provide these people with a livelihood? More to the point why are they not doing it now?




Forde said:
Yeah, riding elephants into battle against aliens from space was clearly a joke. Well done for getting it. :p
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Clearly a light hearted joke, I thought you were meant to be intelligent?

"Who knows, we may just need these guys sometime in the future."

They have no use other there tusks and maybe some logging and even then they are hard to control without brutality.




Forde said:
What a joke. You're actually suggesting that a the actions of a small group of animals should be the yardstick by which we measure an entire species. So, by your measure you're all of Northern Ireland's populace enjoy blowing up kids? No, I thought not.
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Again more emotive drivel to protect your research funding and when someone questions you're agenda the petty insult start flying. But yes that small group does give an insight into what they can do, I don't believe anyone enjoys blowing up kids not even the RAF or USAF.... Do you enjoy your research being used to cull elephant populations? If they have to cull it kind of fly in the face of you're extinction claims....
 
I look forward to the brave new world with 50billion humans and nothing but factory reared cows, pigs and chickens.

I'm sure that'll be awesome.
 
vonhelmet said:
If we're doing cute, here's the baby elephant at Chester Zoo. It's only a few months old.

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Are they not indian elephants? (small ears).
 
Orcish-Horde said:
Forde from Hampshire, Saviour of the African Elephant ...... :p
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Why are you so obsessed with the fact he's from Hampshire? He likes these animals, as many of us do and is just trying to educate people about their plight. Just because you don't like them doesn't give you the right to start attacking his views and suggesting that he isn't intelligent.
I liked Fordes article and I'm worried about these elephants becoming extinct and we should do what we can to ensure they are still around in years to come.

JBod, you are right. You can also tell they are Asian elephants because of the two dome shapes on their heads not to mention the ears on an African elephant go to the top of their heads. Still a cute picture though.
 
Ahleckz said:
Why are you so obsessed with the fact he's from Hampshire? He likes these animals, as many of us do and is just trying to educate people about their plight. Just because you don't like them doesn't give you the right to start attacking his views and suggesting that he isn't intelligent.
I liked Fordes article and I'm worried about these elephants becoming extinct and we should do what we can to ensure they are still around in years to come.
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Thanks bro :)
 
I can't believe no one commented on leapfrogging over a baby asian elephant. Too busy thinking about ivory, you lot! :P
 
I stayed away from this thread because I thought it would be full of do-gooders but it couldn't be further from the truth.
Most don't give a toss and neither do I - if there time is up then so be it.
I think elephants are great but evolution has to happen and one day man will get it.
It's about time people stopped throwing millions of pounds at panda's, they can't even be bothered to make their own babies.
 
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