Tuition fees going up to £9000 a year

Dolph said:
Welcome to the world where there is a refusal to acknowledge that we are sending too many people to university, doing too many subjects that aren't needed/make no sense, to do jobs that shouldn't require a degree.

Fees are a direct result of this.
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Out of interest, do you think it was necessary to do your chemistry degree for your job in (IIRC) telecommunications?
 
manic_man said:
I find these arguments intriguing as I would class myself as the epitome of the type of student nu labours plans were aimed at.../snip
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I know that this may sound trite, but my experience is that people of ability will rise through in any event. You might have had to repeat the A-levels, you might have had to go abroad to study, but people with sufficient ability and application will almost always be able to overcome a one-off mistake (such as your A-level results).

I see this all the time in CVs in the context of graduate recruitment. Contrary to popular belief, it's both more common than some people expect and more favourably look upon - I like to know that someone's really come under the cosh and made good, rather than sailed through untroubled and therefore untested...
 
It's the greedy older generation that's caused all this. The university fees are far to high. No wounder the UKs the way it is. It's the wrong areas that certain Universities are giving.

Where has social skills, live skills gone. The world is ending.
 
scorza said:
Maybe if you'd have worked harder you could have got into a decent university, like Oxford or Cambridge.
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Seriously?

iDroid84 said:
Goodbye life once you all start University, sucked into the world of no return.
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My life has improved precisely as the result of my degrees. I enjoy my job which requires a degree to be eligible to do it at all. I travel the world, have enough money and a happy family. I've worked hard to get it all, and firmly believe that positive mental attitude assists immensely in life.

Uni should not be a default option, but it is very valuable to some.
 
Nitefly said:
Mmm? It's certainly not always the black hole you make it out to be.

Edit: Hello dictatorship........ ?!
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You may come out of University with a degree or whatever, however I would love to know about these people been able to find jobs over a period of 5 years lets say.

Hello dictatorship is something I used out of mind, I see it a lot more people power trippin because they have degrees at all level of ages. Just something I been thinking about lately.
 
Dj_Jestar said:
How so 9x? Did they only pay £1k 5 years ago? Or is that when it changed from a grant to a loan?
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I started my degree in 2005 before it moved to the present 'top up fee' scheme. My fees were £1000 each year for three years.

iDroid84 said:
You may come out of University with a degree or whatever, however I would love to know about these people been able to find jobs over a period of 5 years lets say.
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Sorry, I'm not sure I fully understand what you mean.
 
Tefal said:
I didn't think Oxford or Cambridge had a great rep for engineering fields more law/languages?
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You might want to rethink that one! Especially from the Cambridge standpoint - the two main undergrad degrees offered (Chemical Engineering, Engineering) both are top of the country tables, and are known globally for their research expertise.
 
AtticusFinch said:
My life has improved precisely as the result of my degrees. I enjoy my job which requires a degree to be eligible to do it at all. I travel the world, have enough money and a happy family. I've worked hard to get it all, and firmly believe that positive mental attitude assists immensely in life.

Uni should not be a default option, but it is very valuable to some.
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I see, so people who only has obtained a degree can have their life improved? Yes, handful of people do benifit from a degree. I don't see why fees are going up. The people who have them are lucky, however what about the people who have to start and pay 9k for crying out loud! I really hope they don't introduce this it's ridiculous.
 
iDroid84 said:
You may come out of University with a degree or whatever, however I would love to know about these people been able to find jobs over a period of 5 years lets say.
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I've often wondered this myself. I began full-time work at 16, and am in a better position than nearly all of my friends that went to university. Not just financially/"rungs up the ladder", but my work ethic is better than all of them, as well as my job satisfaction. I know for a fact they will all 'learn' what I have learnt (I used to hate some of my previous jobs, and had a really foul attitude toward work) but am thinking the clock is ticking a bit as I am 28 and they are all in their 30s and still haven't learnt :/
 
Try again please...

iDroid84 said:
I see, so people who only has obtained a degree can have their life improved? Yes, handful of people do benifit from a degree. I don't see why fees are going up. The people who have them are lucky, however what about the people who have to start and pay 9k for crying out loud! I really hope they don't introduce this it's ridiculous.
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My post in no way implies that only people with degrees can improve their lives. In fact I plainly make the opposite point - re mental attitude.

Also in my previous posts, making it clear that uni is only one option for some people and if it's right for one person I shouldn't be expected to subsidize that education at the current levels.
 
iDroid84 said:
I mean, the people who has degrees right now from last year how many people walked straight into a work position.
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Exactly. Having a degree just doesn't mean what it used to. Everyone has one now. Years ago if you had a degree you were special and would be considered before the rest. Labour enabled people to be able to literally buy degrees, and have help with the funding.
 
iDroid84 said:
I see, so people who only has obtained a degree can have their life improved? Yes, handful of people do benifit from a degree. I don't see why fees are going up. The people who have them are lucky, however what about the people who have to start and pay 9k for crying out loud! I really hope they don't introduce this it's ridiculous.
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Will you stop throwing that figure about like they have to pay £9,000 on the day they arrive at university? This rise will mean diddly squat to future students. They will not have to pay it until after they have graduated, and have themselves in a job that pays enough to sustained a livelihood AND the cut-off is also being raised to £21,000 salary.

This should also see Universities cut-down on the length of time some courses take. A few of my friends went to Uni for 4 years, but only had 9 (yes, nine) hours of lectures a week, and sod-all course material/work. They spent those 4 years getting royally wasted night after night and still graduated with honours. It cost them next to f-all to be on a 4 year long subsidised ****-up.
 
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