Tuition fees going up to £9000 a year

Amp34 said:
Exactly.

9-5 subject wise then another 12+ hours on top doesn't leave you much time to actually do anything you want to do. So yeah you can do it but it's not necessarily something you really want to do.

Isn't there some statistic that those that work part time during their degree on average gain a grade less than those that don't too, which definately means something.
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Ah, I misunderstood the context of your post, I missed the bit about a part time job - I thought you meant no time for a social life!

I think it would be possible if you are fairly organised to do two small shifts a week for almost all degrees at almost all institutions. In my experience... almost no student averages 8 hours a day of studying, not even close.

I did a law masters and I could have easily done a few shifts a week had I been bothered to do so.
 
Maybe this will deter people from doing meaningless degrees just so they can doss at Uni.


franco_22 said:
You can either go to Uni, get a good job, move up the career ladder and pay back £15k -£18k to the government in very small installments. Or you can work in a shop or some other minimum wage job for the rest of your life.

Your choice.
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lol wut?

I don't have a degree and I'm in the higher tax bracket...
 
All a bit personal that

iDroid84 said:
@AtticusFinch
# So how much do you earn now, and what is your job title and job responsibilities?
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1. My earnings vary depending on the profitability of my firm - suffice to say I am relatively happy with my earnings.

2. I am a Junior Partner a large City law firm

3. I structure Hedge Funds, Private Equity Funds and advise on Regulatory matters pertaining to various aspects of FSA regulation.

I used to practice previously in New Zealand and Malaysia before I came to the UK.
 
AcidHell2 said:
:rolleyes: because every good job need s a degree. Oh wait but they don't.
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How old are you?

LiE said:
Maybe this will deter people from doing meaningless degrees just so they can doss at Uni.




lol wut?

I don't have a degree and I'm in the higher tax bracket...
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How old are you?

iDroid84 said:
I'm not on minimum wage, nor do I work in a shop, nor am I paying money for something I don't owe.
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How old are you?


I'm gonna guess none of you boys were born in the 90s.
 
27, but what has that got to do with anything.
You think because you were born in the 90's you need a degree? you don't they have been pushing that line for decades.
 
Struggling to see how the LibDems can accept this in good conscience really - is this going to be open to debate in the HoP or is it going to be pushed through under existing legislation?
 
And once again history goes full circle.

It is now how it used to be in victorian times when u only could go to uni if you or your family ''had money''.
 
Nitefly said:
Ah, I misunderstood the context of your post, I missed the bit about a part time job - I thought you meant no time for a social life!

I think it would be possible if you are fairly organised to do two small shifts a week for almost all degrees at almost all institutions. In my experience... almost no student averages 8 hours a day of studying, not even close.

I did a law masters and I could have easily done a few shifts a week had I been bothered to do so.
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Ah ok, no definately 9-5 you have plenty of time to socialise. And yes, you probably could do a couple of small shifts, say 8 hours a week if you were well organised, during the beginning of most years, however on some degrees I think you'd probably end up close to burnout and obviously it would depend on how flexible the work is as well, during exam time and big deadlines having to work as well as study would be a major issue.

As for masters, there is very little way I would be able to do any sustained part time work during mine. It's the start of the year and the 10-5 contact time is already meaning i'm not leaving labs until after 8 on some evenings. Only time we have off is saturday and sunday, both of which will be filled for the next couple of weeks for definate by work.:/

At least when I get a job it'll be nice and relaxing (dunno about other masters but we've been told by multiple people that this year will probably be the hardest in our life workload wise...):p
 
What?

*Moangroan* said:
And once again history goes full circle.

It is now how it used to be in victorian times when u only could go to uni if you or your family ''had money''.
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How is 2010 like Victorian Britain? If you want to go to Uni you can. If you cannot afford it, then you either don't go, work to pay for it, borrow the money and pay it back - or a combination of the latter two. The access is there, one simply has to rationalise the utility in attending before incurring a cost.

A good life lesson to us all.
 
AtticusFinch said:
Sorry to be clear - we pay an allowance while completing the LPC and then the above amounts as first and second year trainees with £60K on qualification.
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Ah okay, thought that was too good to be true haha. 35K after completing LPC sounds average. If it was with just an LLB I was going to ask if I can give you my CV :D


@LiE/AcidHell

Let's be honest and not hypocritical, 20-30 years ago, you could walk out of school at 16, go talk to your local plumber/construction manager/electrician/newspaper company and get your foot in, learn while on the job, start as an apprentice and work your way up. Nowadays, you'll need a degree or 2 before any news company even lets you put your foot in the door and you even need several qualifications before anyone lets you look down a toilet. I mean, these days, you need experience + qualifications, how are you going to convince someone in HR to take your CV seriously if you don't have either, even with a degree most times it's not enough and you still need experience, which no one will give you unless you have a degree or a some other sort of qualification, AcidHell, you're so fond of apprenticeships, do you realise that no one will give you an apprenticeship unless you went to college/6th form for 2 years :)? It's not a degree but the point still stands, you can't train a lawyer or a doctor in 2 years.

Unless you're very lucky or you know someone on the inside who plays a significant part in the running of the company, you're not going to get your foot in the door without qualifications or experience.

I'm not talking about myself, I've seen friends of mine who perhaps should have chosen their degrees more carefully ( a history graduate comes to mind), he spent over an year trying to find a job, he's now doing some kind of Teacher assistant course that pays less then what he was earning when he was a student. So tell me, if people who have degrees can't find jobs, why would you think they'd have a easier time finding employment without one? (By the way, this guy was working in retail so he wasn't sitting at home not doing anything and he was willing to do any job providing it paid more then minimum wage).
 
AtticusFinch said:
What is "stupidly unfair" about being expected to pay for something you choose to acquire?

It seems "perfectly fair" to me.
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Then you clearly don't understand capitalism. It is the economic system under which those too lazy to work are able to get others to do it for them, based on some nonexistent right to the materials and tools required for work. Without fail it leads to a stupid split in society where 5% of the population own the majority of the wealth and so rule over the rest.

The 95% need to realist that it would be easy for them to overthrow the 5% and demand equality and the rights that all deserve.

Don't worry, if you were born into a world made of purple jelly you'd probably think that was normal too :)
 
Superewza said:
Then you clearly don't understand capitalism. It is the economic system under which those too lazy to work are able to get others to do it for them, based on some nonexistent right to the materials and tools required for work. Without fail it leads to a stupid split in society where 5% of the population own the majority of the wealth and so rule over the rest.

The 95% need to realist that it would be easy for them to overthrow the 5% and demand equality and the rights that all deserve.

Don't worry, if you were born into a world made of purple jelly you'd probably think that was normal too :)
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Very true for the first part. Although I think it's only 10-20% that are on benefits and the 5% is actually around 50%...;)

Damn Labour funding all the people that can't be bothered to work... ;)


Having said that I'm 24 and the only thing close to a full time job I've ever had is a 3 month internship...
 
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