New driver act..

Justintime

Justintime

Justintime

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Is it a definite loss of license for 6 points within two years? Reason i ask is a friend of mine is facing this as he got flashed by a red light camera for creeping over the line to let an undercover through, hes already got 3 points for 46 in a 40 via handheld gun and a pull about 7 months ago, hes had his license for 1yr 4 months thus far. Hes pretty sure the undercover car is in the picture but is expecting the worst outcome.. is there a chance they'd just junk the picture when they see the blues flashing? :(
 
As far as I remember the answer is yes. I think the general thing is the rules are there & you shouldn't cross a red traffic light...emergency vehicle or not...it's something I would fight tho...maybe they would take things into consideration..if can be proved.

As Morba said. Wait & see & take it from there. (also there is a deadline in which you have to be informed by post of the offence else they can't prosecute you...again as far as I seem to remember... can't remember limit either tho I think you'd have to be pretty lucky.)

I'm surprised he wasn't given the option of attending a driver awareness session as an alternative to having points for first offence....Maybe not all areas do this.
 
Yep, normal standard for speeding (except fixed cameras) is 10% over limit plus 5mph. So 46mph was definitely harsh. (Bit lippy, when stopped, was he?)
 
Contest it at court, if police were on blues then he did the right thing in getting out of the way. Unless they are completely unreasonable I can't see your friend being hit with the points.
 
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Yep, normal standard for speeding (except fixed cameras) is 10% over limit plus 5mph. So 46mph was definitely harsh. (Bit lippy, when stopped, was he?)
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Knowing him, honestly.. no. Hes scared of John law badly and a timid young fella (23) who never argues about anything.. He called me upset over it that night and basically said he admitted to it and said he was sorry and he really could do without the points as he was a new driver etc.. etc.. the cop said he needed a lesson in road safety and its young uns like him who end up killing people etc.. etc.. and not to worry as long as he learnt his lesson and didn't speed again so he wouldn't get more points lol.. I've known him since he was 12 and see no reason to disbelieve his story, hes more of the nerd who got bullied than an agressive lippy bully.
I guess he was intimidated by the undercover as it kept pushing for him to move and he did, as soon as he went over the camera flashed, and as soon as the cop went over it flashed again.. so he definetly caused at least one flash.
He hasn't recieved an NIP as it happened about 2 days ago.. but hes quite worried.

tasslehoff said:
I'm surprised he wasn't given the option of attending a driver awareness session as an alternative to having points for first offence....Maybe not all areas do this.
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A10 coming back from Broxbourne, so whomever is controlling that patch.. no sac offered to him.
 
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Aye - magic word "Guideline" is 10%+2
So on the motorway you're fine until you hit 80mph.

But it's guideline - nothing at all to stop you being prosecuted for 31mph in a 30.
 
But if a constable in uniform has directed him to cross the line to let him through, surely not only has the OP's friend not committed an offence regarding the red light, but it would have been an offence to ignore the constable? Undercover cars still carry coppers in uniform, so he has a defence regardless doesn't he?

Personally I'd wait to see if a NIP turned up, then write to the ticket office asking them to check the photo for the blues and twos on the car behind him. I thought red light cameras would only fire if you crossed the sensor at > x mph where x is something like 10mph? If his friend only crawled over, would it have even triggered?
 
You really need to hit those 3 figure speeds to enjoy the full benefit of being harshly treated :D
 
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