DO I NEED A 6970.

rolypolyman · 5 Nov 2010 at 00:46

Thanks again guys for all the input to this thread. Gonna sleep on it but I'm still leaning towards the Gb 470 SOC and an SSD.

easyrider · 5 Nov 2010 at 00:54

RavenXXX2 said:
SSD is for your OS, I load games from a fast 1TB HD, 64GB drive is all you need to see a massive improvement in responsiveness in windows or any other OS.

In terms of games nothing unless the games are installed on the ssd itself.

Easy is typing his post through red tinted shades, he misses the fact that 470 SOC runs a lot cooler than a reference 470, it actually uses less power even with the overclock, is practicly silent under full load and seeing as it does come pre-clocked it will easily out perfrom the 6870, clock it to 480 speeds and the 6870 has no chance even when clocked itself.

I have been around long enough not to care who makes what and I have used and abused far more hardware than your green tints can see

To suggest buying into GFX now when the new cards like the 6900 series are due highlights your lack of judgement...If you actually cared enough you would offer impartial advice. And help the OP

BUYING a 470 now with new cards so close is bad advice

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RavenXXX2 · 5 Nov 2010 at 01:00

lol read what the OP actually requires help with.

Do I need the power of the 6970 or can I get by on the 470\6870 AND have the extra benefit of an SSD.

An overclocked 470 is more than enough, hell there aren't that many games out there that can push a 460 never mind a 470. From all accounts a 6970 is going to be over 300 notes and perform slightly better than a 480/580, considering the SOC 470 can do 480 speeds, that and an SSD is a good choice and more than enough to power through the latest games.

easyrider · 5 Nov 2010 at 01:09

RavenXXX2 said:
lol read what the OP actually requires help with.

An overclocked 470 is more than enough, hell there aren't that many games out there that can push a 460 never mind a 470. From all accounts a 6970 is going to be over 300 notes and perform slightly better than a 480/580, considering the SOC 470 can do 480 speeds, that and an SSD is a good choice and more than enough to power through the latest games.

I'm not arguing the fact of the 470 or the 6870 what I am doing is highlighting the advice to buy now.

With new tech so close...The cool kid hangs fire and waits for the new releases...see's how things go and waits for the pricing of the other cards to settle.

Speculating unknown pricing and basing advise on pure conjecture is foolish.

If you cannot see this..then I will continue to gain humour from your seemingly "honest" "expert" advice

RavenXXX2 · 5 Nov 2010 at 01:12

rolypolyman said:
Thanks again guys for all the input to this thread. Gonna sleep on it but I'm still leaning towards the Gb 470 SOC and an SSD.

That man knows good advice when he sees it.

Oh yeah

RavenXXX2 said:
100% get an SSD for your OS for me it's the best single upgrade I have ever done.. Wait for 6950/70 pricing and performance figures, it's the wise thing to do. If they fail then a 470/6870 would be a good choice with an SSD on top, it's not as if there are many titles that even push a 460.

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jorzeh · 5 Nov 2010 at 01:19

I just upgraded to a SSD i'm very pleased with it for my OS and i'm waiting for 6970 or 6950 it's really going to be all about price since my 4870x2 is still fine.

easyrider · 5 Nov 2010 at 01:21

RavenXXX2 said:
That man knows good advice when he sees it.

Oh yeah

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So you agree with me? Then stop ejaculating 470 tech all over the forums

Datta boy

=VTA=MANFACE · 5 Nov 2010 at 11:14

^^ LOL

rolypolyman · 5 Nov 2010 at 11:22

Steady guys, Raven does take some stick on this forum and yeah he is very enthusiastic about his 480 and NV in general and I can remember when he was equally enthusiastic about Ati. But he's right about what I'm looking for and whilst it was my intentions to wait for the 6970\6950\580 it has become abundantly clear to me from the info i have gleaned from this forum and other sources that i would be more than adequately served by a 6870\470\460 and further benefit from having spare cash for an SSD. My next upgrade after this will be next August 2011, when, if necessary, I can upgrade graphics. I'm off out now so i wont be able to respond to any comments until later today.

Scougar · 5 Nov 2010 at 11:27

The question is, why didn't he get two 470's then, and why isn't he spouting that SLI is the greatest, yet feel's free to recommend it? (Motherboard not compatible a possibility?)

As far as I see.. he has always recommended the fastest single card you can afford from his experiences, so I don't know why he isnt' recommending it now?

Raven> What improvements did you notice with an SSD? Was it just general responsiveness, and load times of everything in the OS were vastly improved? (I've always wanted one, just they have always worried me with longevity and price to try out).

RavenXXX2 · 5 Nov 2010 at 11:48

Random access on a SSD kills a traditional HD, everything is nigh on instant, you have to experience the difference to appreciate how much better an SSD is over a HD.

queamin · 5 Nov 2010 at 11:52

rolypolyman said:
Steady guys, Raven does take some stick on this forum and yeah he is very enthusiastic about his 480 and NV in general and I can remember when he was equally enthusiastic about Ati. But he's right about what I'm looking for and whilst it was my intentions to wait for the 6970\6950\580 it has become abundantly clear to me from the info i have gleaned from this forum and other sources that i would be more than adequately served by a 6870\470\460 and further benifit from having spare cash for an SSD. My next upgrade after this will be next August 2011, when, if necessary, I can upgrade graphics. I'm off out now so i wont be able to respond to any comments until later today.

Sounds good, 28nm cards from either camp will be monsters because of shrink to 28nm from 40nm

Scougar · 5 Nov 2010 at 11:53

Raven> Want one. lol. Thanks :-)

(I'll have to find someone round here to compare it to HDD :-)

)

rolypolyman · 6 Nov 2010 at 23:56

Ok guys, a wee update, couldn't resist the today only offer on the Msi 470GTX. Best bang for buck, in my opinion, just now. Spent a lot of time looking at various cards today and lots of reviews and decided this price was too good over the Gigabyte 470GTX SOC and the Sapphire 6870, which is £25 too much in my opinion. Now the search begins for an SSD for around £130 max. Thanks to all who contributed to the thread.

easyrider · 7 Nov 2010 at 01:00

Don't come running to me when the 6900 hits

rolypolyman · 7 Nov 2010 at 01:06

Dont worry easy, once I make my buy I dont worry about new cards just around the corner. This card will easily last me until my next gpu upgrade.

oweneades · 7 Nov 2010 at 01:17

rolypolyman said:
Ok guys, a wee update, couldn't resist the today only offer on the Msi 470GTX. Best bang for buck, in my opinion, just now. Spent a lot of time looking at various cards today and lots of reviews and decided this price was too good over the Gigabyte 470GTX SOC and the Sapphire 6870, which is £25 too much in my opinion. Now the search begins for an SSD for around £130 max. Thanks to all who contributed to the thread.

Personally I would have spent the extra on the SOC 470. It's cooler turns the 470 from a good card (with a noisy cooler) into a great card.

An Exception · 7 Nov 2010 at 01:45

Scougar said:
The question is, why didn't he get two 470's then, and why isn't he spouting that SLI is the greatest, yet feel's free to recommend it? (Motherboard not compatible a possibility?)

As far as I see.. he has always recommended the fastest single card you can afford from his experiences, so I don't know why he isnt' recommending it now?

Raven> What improvements did you notice with an SSD? Was it just general responsiveness, and load times of everything in the OS were vastly improved? (I've always wanted one, just they have always worried me with longevity and price to try out).

you get less occasional stutters/hiccups when running games of an ssd.

MoodyB · 7 Nov 2010 at 02:15

Scougar said:
What improvements did you notice with an SSD? Was it just general responsiveness, and load times of everything in the OS were vastly improved? (I've always wanted one, just they have always worried me with longevity and price to try out).

When running an app, the ssd makes it feel like the app has been cached previously by the OS, even when it hasn't. Everything is just quicker / snappier when working with OS related tasks & apps. This is with a low-end ssd here - 64gb Kingston V-Series - so you'll probably find better brands a bit quicker again.

On the games side, there's a slight decrease in load times which is nice but nothing as noticeable as the difference with the OS / apps.

An Exception · 7 Nov 2010 at 02:48

once you go SSD you don't go back.
I recommend an 80gb x25-m or something like a 120gb vertex 2.
Don't bother with raid as it will have zero impact on an os drive, unless you do allot of photoshop with high res images.