Religion - I can understand someone believing in god/jesus, but why do they believe in the bible?

Usher said:
No, and as you can't even begin to prove ( or show any credible evidence for that matter) that there is then the most obvious answer is that there isn't
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But I don't need to prove anything as I have not made any assertions as to whether God exists or not,as the case may be.

How can you say the most obvious answer is that there is no God, when you cannot even define God in any specific way.

You can say, for example, that the Christian anthropomorphic manifestation of God is highly improbable (I would agree), but you cannot say that the balance of evidence proves or even suggests that God doesn't exist in any form.
 
I'm the other way round.

I can understand people understanding and taking comfort in the teachings of the Bible but I struggle with the concept of god.
 
scorza said:
The Bible is not the Word of God, it's not even one book but many books with different authors. The Gospels, the most important books in the Bible, are an eye-witness testimony from four different people. The rest of the New Testament is mostly letters from St. Paul to different groups of people - how can that be the Word of God?

The Bible is not an easy read, the books were written a long time ago and have been translated at least twice into English. A lot of people read it on their own and don't properly understand the context or what it means (I include Dawkins in this group of people). Which is why most Christians are encouraged to join Bible Study groups to discuss parts of the Bible with other people and a theologian (usually the vicar).



LOL what?
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Most branches of Christianity do believe that the bible is the word of God, that the authors of the various books are merely intermediaries - this is where a lot of problems stem from as many believe that the passages should be taken absolutely and often twisted to fit modern themes - for an example look up the whole deal over Christian women wearing trousers - which leads me to my second point - many branches do encourage the debating of such a topic, but only if your questioning it with the end to reinforcing the reasoning supporting the practise, dare to bring up an opposing view especially with real logic behind it and you'll be disgraced infront of the congregation and kicked out on your ear like you were a leper - obviously some branches are more open and objective than others.
 
AcidHell2 said:
:confused: what twisted logic. The obvious answer is you don't know and as such makes no difference.
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No.

He's right. The most obvious answer according to our understanding of the universe as it is says that there is no such thing as God. That may well change, but as it stands our understanding of demonstrate-able physics and science make it more improbable than probable.
 
AcidHell2 said:
:confused: what twisted logic. The obvious answer is you don't know and as such makes no difference.
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It is likewise twisted logic to presume there is a supernatural all powerful being when there is not the slightest iota of evidence other than seemingly mass religious hypnotism .

Show me some proven evidence of anything supernatural be it ghosts, angels or whatever and I may give it some consideration
 
Usher said:
It is likewise twisted logic to presume there is a supernatural all powerful being when there is not the slightest iota of evidence other than seemingly mass religious hypnotism .

Show me some proven evidence of anything supernatural be it ghosts, angels or whatever and I may give it some consideration
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He's not saying that there is any evidence for God. He's saying that you're wrong because nobody knows and there is no answer either way.
 
Captain_Slick said:
No.

He's right. The most obvious answer according to our understanding of the universe as it is says that there is no such thing as God. That may well change, but as it stands our understanding of demonstrate-able physics and science make it more improbable than probable.
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No it doesn't. That just means you do not understand science.
 
AcidHell2 said:
No it doesn't. That just means you do not understand science.
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I know that you do this for a career, but seeing as science has already discredited large parts of The Bible I'll stick with what I said. Our understanding of the world around us suggests that God is less likely to exist.

*awaits "Science doesn't disprove the existence of a God, just the stories of a book based around an Abrahamic one" reply*

Although, what does replying in a thread in GD on a computer forum have to do with understanding science? I thought that was a given?
 
Captain_Slick said:
No.

He's right. The most obvious answer according to our understanding of the universe as it is says that there is no such thing as God. That may well change, but as it stands our understanding of demonstrate-able physics and science make it more improbable than probable.
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Does it?

Define God....

then maybe we can tell whether science and physics in particular makes it more improbable than possible.

Captain_Slick said:
Remarkably a lot, actually. Guess you just don't understand religion.

But well done for being predictable.
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Again, is that so?

Explain?
 
I don't need to define God. Most of the world's religions have already done so in some form or another. As for them being similar, I thought that was obvious? We spent about 4 lessons in RE in secondary school looking at the similarities between all major religions and most were like for like generally. Change a face here, a name there. They're all the same when you boil down to the basics. I know you're playing Devil's Advocate, but I can't really be bothered. You're not gonna change anyone's mind and neither am I.

Religion/Spirituality/Belief system is/are a personal thing and should be kept that way. Secularism forever.

Personally I don't believe in a God. I believe in something. Destiny, fate, whatever. I don't believe in a God telling me not to eat pork, or not to sleep with someone I love, though. It's fairly obvious that those parts are human invention for reasons that existed back when these things were written, added to, manipulated and proclaimed as the word of the Almighty/Allah/Jesus/insert religious name here.
 
AcidHell2 said:
I

A religion, nothing to do with the possibility of a god
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The question is about whether God (as proclaimed by all the major religions in various guises) exists, not about whether something/a force/an energy/something magical exists.

Religion =/= God

Mystical force/energy/being/intelligence/spirit/conscious is something entirely different.

We're discussing the religious interpretation of that something entirely different, not whether something entirely different exists or not.
 
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