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Hi Dolph.
Rioting in London?
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Hi Dolph.
banks are to blame for the current economic situtation, so yes I blame them. i find it ridiculous that they get bailouts and as a result students see their tuition go from about £3k a year to up to potentially £9k.
EDIT i find it ironic that some do not care about fellow citizens who want an education without a big debt (maybe one of those potential students could have found the cure to AIDS or solved potential energy crisis) but are ok with bailing out banks which would not hesitate to throw you out in the street if you were unable to make mortage payments. banks don't do any favours why should we to them. if some irresponsible banks fail, then let them. other banks will just buy them out at discount rates, not all banks had unsound balance sheets.
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No current University student faces ANY rise in the cost of their education.
When the changes come into effect it will still cost LESS at the point of education to attend Uni than ever before.
For the first few years I was at Uni I had to pay my fees then and there and there was NO special fees loan available for them!
These students will pay nothing, not a penny, until they earn over £21,000 a year. That's almost the average wage for this country before they even begin to pay back the cost of education.
Yet again, taking the words right out of my mouth. I need to be faster next time
Want to meet for a pint?
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[TW]Fox;17763442 said:
And while they are not earning over 21,000 their loan is still incurring interest. Which means the longer you dont pay it off, the bigger the sum gets, and yes, its way above inflation now.
My generation was sold this as a 'zero interest loan' and 'the best loan you will ever have!'
Total con. Lies lies lies.
Want to meet for a pint?
I don't think he is old enough to drink yet...
What's wrong with diet coke?
Superewza wouldn't drink diet coke. It would be supporting the facist corporations responsible for destroying the socialist utopia we could all be working towards.
Not to mention it is a bit of a girls drink, now, diet coke with cherry is a different matter altogether!
But the changes they are advocating won't affect existing loans like yours, will they?
These disputes are about increasing the fees.
This argument is fuelled by the economy though (as is most politics when you come down to it).
If we were in a period of unprecedented economic growth with a budget surplus, I doubt the cuts would be implemented.
The argument for or against the cuts should be focussed entirely in economic terms with facts , not based on morality or emotion. Liberal Democrats have done no wrong, the only thing in contention is what the 40% cuts will do in the short and long terms.
If the facts show that this cut will mess up the country for years to come, then by all means, get upset. However until we get a full independent review of what the effects will be, then there is no point in getting upset (oh wait, we do!!
)That's your view obviously.
Not one I share.
You can never take a purely economic view on the spending cuts unless talking about balance sheets, and we are not.
It is intrinsically linked to politics and therefore morality, and emotion if you must.
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Just seen on Facebook that a "friend" of mine was one of the people on the roof of Millbank 
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Think I'll be deleting him then!
.Think I'll be deleting him then!
You. Wall. Brick. Head. Bash.
Good luck!
But he has a valid point?
They aren't just protesting about the tuition fees, but also the cut in funding to universities in general.
If the current generation of active students don't protest, who will? The old don't care because they're past university and the young(er) don't because they dont have a body like the NUS to organise this, plus they'd probably rather watch Top Gear on Dave than go to London on a cold November night with their parents....
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Just seen on Facebook that a "friend" of mine was one of the people on the roof of Millbank
Think I'll be deleting him then!
So you're prepared to loose a friend over their political beliefs? I've heard this from many people on the EDL/UAF marches, people from the UAF have offered to go for a pint with them in the hope of a healthy debate or a talk about something not politics related and they've damn near spat in their faces.
Again, it's worth repeating that this policy has zero effect on the deficit in the short and medium term unless the idea is to push people out of the University system. The tuition still needs to be funded up-front, and it's still the government paying for it one way or the other. Money doesn't start coming back into the system until these lovable little scamps begin to pay back their loans, and takes years to break even.
Beleiving something and your subsequent actions are two different things.
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I went to University and I have (had, actually!
) a student loan. I am now back at University to do my second degree and, probably, my Masters. However this is with the Open Univerisyt and I have to pay up front...no Student Loan type arrangement here.I am in favour of fees and what the Government has done seems fair, especially with the 21K payback threshold.