Religion - I can understand someone believing in god/jesus, but why do they believe in the bible?

Tefal said:
He has no proof that the supernatural events he claims are related to the Christian god, they could be attributed to any force/being.

The priori assumption, to use his phrase, is that any given supernatural event is caused by your chosen deity.
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Aye, maybe. My point was more that maybe the tests don't work because God doesn't play ball when people attempt to test him in that way.
 
vonhelmet said:
Aye, maybe. My point was more that maybe the tests don't work because God doesn't play ball when people attempt to test him in that way.
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So god haunts a basement for years moving things around etc until someone decides to test it?

God must get damn bored.
 
izzy eckerslike said:
You pray for your child and it still dies
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Not too long ago, a pastors son was knocked down dead by a women who lost control of her vehicle and mounted the curb. A boy, barely a man, dead just like that. http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/ne...xtraordinary-daniel-patterson-92746-23606415/

How dare you make such blasé, nonchalant comments in the public domain when you know not of who your speaking to. There may be real lives here, real people who have lost children, real hurt, real pain, and real suffering. Would you picket that boys funeral saying 'Your son's dead and your God doesn't exist'

No? Then put down your keyboard and shut up.

izzy eckerslike said:
why god would let innocent children die
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You know not all ends. If even one life is saved by Daniels death, be it a fellow peer, or the installation of a safety camera, or raised awareness about the dangerous of roads, it is surely a good thing. Painful, yes.

Without suffering, what do we have to strive for? When sickness is banished, and we all live on for an eternity, what then? Real life is about struggles, pain and over coming adversity.

Which, coincidently, is why all the modern spoon fed mmorpgs suck
*meanders off to the game forum*
 
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vonhelmet said:
Are you getting confused with that silly poltergeist video from the other day?
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That's a good example of it

you have a bunch of people who see such a "supernatural" event, those who believe in that stuff already use it as evidence and it reaffirms their belief, a few who didn't believe before are convinced (ie the people in uriels example) and now believe, those that didn't believe still don't and point out errors/example of how it could be fake (this over laps with those that believe in the supernatural, like yourself, yet believe that video to be fake).


Basing your beliefs on events you don't understand is a dodgy way of doing things.


simulatorman said:
What a very strange point. ;)
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What that people shouldn't attribute random events/peoples actions to a god?:confused:

Doesn't sound that strange.
 
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Tefal said:
Basing your beliefs on events you don't understand is a dodgy way of doing things.
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Indeed it is. I personally don't believe in God due to a lack of understanding of things (I get very cross when people accuse me of believing in the God of the gaps) but I am aware that some do.
 
vonhelmet said:
Indeed it is. I personally don't believe in God due to a lack of understanding of things (I get very cross when people accuse me of believing in the God of the gaps) but I am aware that some do.
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Yep, i know there are many who genuinely believe, it's those that believe because they or someone else prayed and the outcome they wanted occurred/insert other typical "miracle" here if only because you can;t know that it was you chosen god.



Also it would mean magick is right and lizard men do visit him in bed, I just don't want to live in that world :(

vonhelmet said:
Boom!
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I feel dirty for saying it but it was right there :(
 
Uriel said:
To be fair, this is a public forum and not a funeral.
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Would you, in a crowded room of friends and strangers alike, declare in a loud voice

'Abortion is Murder. Anybody who thinks of killing their Child should be deeply ashamed.'

Of course not. Even if you were in the anti-abortion camp, all this stance would do is alienate every single person around you. Some of those people may have had abortions. Some may be fine with that, some may be struggling with that. You simply dont know. To loudly declare your point of view on difficult subjects abound with real human emotion is grossly negligent.
 
BunnyKillBot said:
You know not all ends. If even one life is saved by Daniels death, be it a fellow peer, or the installation of a safety camera, or raised awareness about the dangerous of roads, it is surely a good thing. Painful, yes.
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But if life is simply an entrance exam for heaven why is someone living what equates to 0% of their actual life span a good thing?
 
BunnyKillBot said:
Would you, in a crowded room of friends and strangers alike, declare in a loud voice

'Abortion is Murder. Anybody who thinks of killing their Child should be deeply ashamed.'

Of course not. Even if you were in the anti-abortion camp, all this stance would do is alienate every single person around you. Some of those people may have had abortions. Some may be fine with that, some may be struggling with that. You simply dont know. To loudly declare your point of view on difficult subjects abound with real human emotion is grossly negligent.
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and you just said a child dying is a good thing if only 1 other person is saved, try yelling that in a crowded pub.
 
Tefal said:
and you just said a child dying is a good thing if only 1 other person is saved, try yelling that in a crowded pub.
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Demonstration of the point, contrary to the previous posters writings and exemplification that not all ends are visible to us. Possible benefits, not definites. Shouting such a thing would indeed be grossly negligent.
 
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