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They dont cover modified cars, so make of that what you will.

The thing with performance is that in the real world how much of it is really any use? A 330i is about as quick as a previous gen 3.0 Z4 which is a car I drive quite a lot - and to me, that's a very quick car. There are loads of quicker cars around but I'm never, ever thinking 'I wish this was faster'. It just goes like a scalded cat whenever asked.

The 335i is of course even quicker but... if you can already shatter the speed limit from rest in 5.9 seconds just how much more can you realistically use enough to make it worth the additional cost? How much of your time are you going to spend accelerating to 60 in 5 seconds versus the amount of time you'll spend sat on the Motorway with the cruise on where those two turbos are just guzzling needless fuel. I'm no economy junky, I wouldnt buy a 320d for the mpg'z, but that doesnt mean I'm a fan of un-neccesary fuel consumption.

It's not as if the alternative is some sort of slug.
 
It's a shame that the 335i lump didn't prove to be more reliable. I had very high hope of it when it was release, people were talking about it being a modern tuning "icon", but it's not really happened. Fair play to BMW for giving the Turbo'd Straight 6 concept a crack whilst everyone else seems to be moving onto V engines, just a shame it didn't really work.

I am starting to think that the 330i is a better bet in the real world :).
 
Joshy said:
It's a shame that the 335i lump didn't prove to be more reliable. I had very high hope of it when it was release, people were talking about it being a modern tuning "icon", but it's not really happened. Fair play to BMW for giving the Turbo'd Straight 6 concept a crack whilst everyone else seems to be moving onto V engines, just a shame it didn't really work.
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A point a lot of people are not starting to make is now 'Why are the pumps unreliable' but 'what is making the pumps fail?'. BMW seem to just continually replace broken pumps and issue redesigned ones that fix nothing every year or so.

Its a bit like a fuse. If it keeps blowing is it not best to find out why :(

That said the 330i is also a complex beast now - it has direct injection and high pressure pumps itself - it now has almost all the complexity of a modern commonrail turbodiesel only without the turbo. My parents have an N53B30 engined E60 - under warranty at 2 years old it had new injectors and a new fuel pump, though indications are that these problems are nothing like as endemic as the 335i issues.s

I am starting to think that the 330i is a better bet in the real world :).
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It absolutely is - but then thats the head part of a car purchase, isn't it. The heart will always crave the top model.

And 'Yea, I've got 306bhp' probably wont ever get old.
 
[TW]Fox;17770913 said:
I live in Devon not the Isle of Wight ;)
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Lol, people down here are still pretty gullible though!

I do see your point though, in seriousness, but "i've got 272bhp" is still pretty damn awesome

Is it just me, or is 30 odd bhp from 2 turbos not actually that much?
 
It isnt but its not really the full story - the torque difference is a lot higher - and the 330i only develops 272bhp towards the top of the rev range.
 
Any car I've driven before and after a remap though were worlds apart, I'm sure it wouldn't be so much in something so quick anyway - but I'd always be sitting there thinking I've spent £20k on this car, why not spend another £800~ or whatever and get the full use out of those turbos.
 
Undoubtedly - I'm sure if the 335i probably feels quite a lot faster

It does sound like the 330 is the right choice though
 
If I was spending 20k on a car, I'd make sure it was a car that performed as well as I wanted/needed in the first place, rather than having to spend another few quid trying to make it better but less reliable
 
[TW]Fox;17770978 said:
And then blow them up.
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That's what WD is for :D

iaind said:
If I was spending 20k on a car, I'd make sure it was a car that performed as well as I wanted/needed in the first place, rather than having to spend another few quid trying to make it better but less reliable
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So what else do you pick up for £20k that's quicker/more powerful and does everything as well as the e92 335i?
 
Peerzy said:
That's what WD is for :D



So what else do you pick up for £20k that's quicker/more powerful and does everything as well as the e92 335i?
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You probably dont - if performance was so important to me that I'd be willing to make the sacrifices associated with a remap, I'd sooner sacrifice something else from the spec in the first place.
 
Your constant thirst for power is quite perplexing. You are what, 21. Why is 306bhp not enough in an RWD Coupe?! Why exactly do you need even more as soon as you get it?

It's quite satisfying in a way to work your way up the 'power ladder' I think :p

Plus had my 530i had 360bhp when I got it I'd have killed myself in it.
 
[TW]Fox;17771020 said:
Your constant thirst for power is quite perplexing. You are what, 21. Why is 306bhp not enough in an RWD Coupe?! Why exactly do you need even more as soon as you get it?

It's quite satisfying in a way to work your way up the 'power ladder' I think :p

Plus had my 530i had 360bhp when I got it I'd have killed myself in it.
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Oh yeah I totally understand I'm doing it all wrong and it's either going to end in tears or some sort of crazy power addiction.

I really can't explain it, figures I don't care about - I just want to be in the quickest, nicest thing I can possibly get that suits my needs.

If the power is there to be got - why not.
 
Once you start to drive a few more powerful cars you'll probably realise that once you get to a certain level of performance it's pretty much sufficient :)
 
Hopefully. I've driven some pretty quick stuff but only over very short distances or with a sales bloke in the car.

I've gotta start thinking how I'm even going to get a test drive on a 335i! Hard enough to find one, let alone convince a private buyer to let me test drive one, and BMW are unlikely to throw the keys at me straight away!
 
It's a BMW Individual car so sadly there wont be many others like it. The key point is that the top of the doorcards is black - on a standard E92 with a light interior the top of the doorcard is usually the same colour as the seats :(

Sadly it also has the wrong gearbox but if that sort of thing popped up with the right box when I was looking to buy I'd have it over a 335i. Thats what I think it'll come down to really - I'll find a car with the right level of spec and colour combo and the engine decision will make itself as a result.
 
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