Didn't RM staff go on strike over RM wanting to get rid of some of the sorting office people due to wanting to implement more machines and also due to the declining volume of letters?
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Didn't RM staff go on strike over RM wanting to get rid of some of the sorting office people due to wanting to implement more machines and also due to the declining volume of letters?
Fox news is owned by whom?
Who was one of the larger contributors to the programme?
Who did he work for?
Where was i challenging, i was pointing out the relationship with Fox News, Kelton Kenzie and Rupert Murdoch.
Where was i arguing?
So you were (and continue to) poison the well?
If the program got it's figures wrong, or misrepresented the risk to the country, or whatever, these are things that should be easily demonstratable. There is no need to start attacking the source just yet...
So by your means of extrapolation, some of the German population were members of the National Socialist party, all Germans are Nazis?
Harold Shipman was a Doctor, all Doctors are murderers?
Well, it's not really real is why, the UK doesn't even have that sort of money, I doubt there's enough resources to even make it, I too could not care less about it as it is all a fiction.
Some Whitehall Mandarin could easily flick a switch and the Debt would vanish, same for every other Country in the World, it's all a big joke created by greedy Bankers and now it's all collapsing around them. Good fun to watch though.
I'll agree with you here, Rypt's approach is somewhat blanket.
There are many good unions (but they tend to be the smaller ones), who work with the companies concerned with the needs of the business as well as the employees in mind. The larger unions are the ones that tend to be far more militant, especially those who represent public sector, or former public sector (see BA) staff.
The problem is that the larger, more lunatic ones are going to cause stronger anti-union laws to come in, with public support, just as they did last time, if they try and hold the country and the population to ransom again.
I am merely pointing out the situation as is. Media bias was highly apparent in the programme, if it was his wish to be taken seriously, he should have been less biased. Or is it that everything he says fits into your political views and you feel to attack the programme in any way is to attack you?
I'm willing to learn, where was he factually wrong in the statements he made?
Regardless of what measures this government is taking, our borrowing is increasing just to pay the interest on our debt.
Not really, I'm not a huge fan of murdoch et al. The point I'm making is that attacking the source, or biasing people against the source, doesn't really do much to refute the program's content. If you think there was bias in there, highlight the biased information or conclusions, and challenge it that way. It will be far more convincing.
They went on strike because due a previous agreement, the CWU must be consulted before modernisation plans that affect job security are put in place. Royal Mail management decided to break that agreement.
rypt said:
See above, the resolution of the Royal Mail strike involved the CWU accepting the modernisation plans including job losses and automated walk-sort machines.
This is the fundamental problem with UK business and why it always fails, bosses want to rule by diktat, they don't like having to engage with employees despite the fact that it often results in great benefits for the business.
The truth is its not just unions or government or business who become lunatic when a critical mass is reached all organisations do. Power whether granted through wealth, position within an organisation, birth or politics corrupts.
And the employees frequently want to rule themselves, or oppose every change for the sake of it... It takes two sides to make the problems that many nationalised and former nationalised industries have, and much of the problem comes from false or unfunded expectations set by the state for the employees in the past.
A great many (ex-)public sector workers want a jobs club, just as a great many bosses in those same areas want to try to improve their own personal standing at the expense of the business and it's workforce. The problems come from a lack of responsibility on both sides and a fundamental disconnect from the rules that naturally enforce good business practices and cause badly run businesses to fail.
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Nice that you're prepared to learn .. Well for example the very first fact he states (as far as I listened the second time through) is wrong.
He says 'You made a manifesto pledge to have a referendum on the EU treaty'
He then says (paraphrased) 'but you didn't, you just railroaded it through'
That just isn't true. The EU treaty he explicitly referred to in the manifesto pledge for a referendum was thrown in the bin and another different document with very different things in it was drawn up that was even called something else - with different terms, a virtually entirely different thing that UKIP decided to call 'uh .. kind of the same document basically in the way they are .. er .. both written on paper and a few things are marginally similar .. so you broke your pledge you evil dude'. lol? There was of course absolutely no manifesto pledge with regards to this all-new document! It didn't even exist when the election happened!
No wonder GB is laughing at him throughout, but Joe ill-informed public loves the fire-brand approach. I just wish he had some more intellectual honesty. The first thing he said after some personal insults (very professional by the way) was wrong and misleading .. but most of all, popularist politics not intended for GB or even the people in that room to move forward (they all knew it was factually wrong) - nope .. actually intended for you my friend
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Nice that you're prepared to learn .. Well for example the very first fact he states (as far as I listened the second time through) is wrong.
He says 'You made a manifesto pledge to have a referendum on the EU treaty'
He then says (paraphrased) 'but you didn't, you just railroaded it through'
That just isn't true. The EU treaty he explicitly referred to in the manifesto pledge for a referendum was thrown in the bin and anotherdifferent document with very different things in it was drawn up that was even called something else - with different terms, a virtually entirely different thing that UKIP decided to call 'uh .. the same thing so you broke your pledge you evil dude'. lol? There was of course absolutely no manifesto pledge with regards to this all-new document!
No wonder GB is laughing at him throughout. The first thing he said after some personal insults (very professional) was wrong
Now who is making blatant misrepresentation. The Lisbon treaty and the EU constitution are effectively the same document in a great many parts, containing a great many of the same things.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/6901353.stm
The only real difference is that instead of replacing the existing treaties, the Lisbon treaty amended some of them.
I find it highly amusing that you criticise someone for making errors (in that the referendum was promised for the constitution, not the Lisbon treaty), but then go and make a whole host of either errors or lies yourself about the same subject.
The Lisbon treaty made virtually all the changes that the EU constitution proposed, just by a different mechanism.
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So what you're saying is
1) It's a different document
2) UKIP lied/strongly insinuated it being the same document during the first (real) statement in his speech, so incorrectly accusing GB of breaking a manifesto pledge.
3) Even GB laughed about the rather daft speech, as they both know it's ridiculous popularism .. but looks like UKIP had the last laugh, as Joe Daft Public actually believes it
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Er, ok, thanks ..
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It was pretty clear that I was talking about the larger unions though,r ather than the smaller ones ...