Do you recognise these student rioters?

rich i think it is a case of ''hey why dont you smash this window it will get your cause on the front page'' then some idiot does it

its very convenient that when only so many windows get broken that they manage to get perfect shots of 90% of them being done.

these journalists then rant on about how dangerous and blood thirsty the crowds are when in reality the cameras would have been smashed up if that was the case. makes a good headline though...!
 
"andy" said:
whats a worthless degree ? thesedays there are so few jobs that you need any degree to get any sort of non crap one...
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Just some from the uni I went to:

Creative Practice, Drama (4 courses of Drama + something else pointless), Drawing and applied arts, Fashion/Textile Design, Fine arts, about 10 Sport "science"...

Without sounding like a ****, whats the point of those courses? Seriously what can you do with that other the flip fries and maybe a personal trainer with sport science... which could just as well be a 6th form course.
 
You might want to become a teacher ? theres a reason....

Anyways as for the riots it was stupid. They did more damage than good. They should have tackled the issue using their head and prove that education is a valuable assest and that the costs are getting out of hand. Instead all they showed (albeit just a few from the large crowd) that students are nothing but stupid people that will cause trouble the min the toys are out of the pram.
 
rsatd said:
Just some from the uni I went to:

Creative Practice, Drama (4 courses of Drama + something else pointless), Drawing and applied arts, Fashion/Textile Design, Fine arts, about 10 Sport "science"...

Without sounding like a ****, whats the point of those courses? Seriously what can you do with that other the flip fries and maybe a personal trainer with sport science... which could just as well be a 6th form course.
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I can see plenty of reasons for all those courses. Your point not proven, you must try harder.
 
What a joke.... students nowadays..

Police should lock up every single one caught on camera or witnessed commiting any criminal act.

But its a joke.. ***** and giggles for students...making their "stand" (hahaha) against corps, big society, the government or whatever...


Well thats what the images seem to make you think.

I wonder if it can be confirmed that those rioters are indeed students and not plants? As this has totally derailed any legitimate agenda they might have been trying to organise.

Police also should have done their job and arrested any person who broke the law..... waiting for them to break the law and cause *further* damage and take over a building...is v poor form by the police
 
Students have led the way in many political revolutions and stuff.

Its all mob mentality anyway, and i bet the press egged them on too.

Nothing like smashing some stuff up to release some tension.
 
The minority if mindless students should have been stopped by a) police and b) other students.

If I turned up with 1000s of others to a peaceful protest only to see mindless thugs ruin the meaning of the protest I'd be very annoyed. I hope these people that the telegraph posted get caught and I fully support the peaceful protesters in their fight not to be burdened by the mistakes of greedy bankers and wasteful government spending.
 
AcidHell2 said:
I don't care about the cost of prison. The costs need to go up, so we have lower reoffending rates and much much better rehabilitation programs. That way you reduce the cost across the board in the long run.
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Isn't that contradictory to your "we must save money" attitude?
 
rypt said:
So why not fully fund good degrees at good unis (and even better only fully fund anyone who gets 2:1 or above), and instead drop the whole "get as many people as possible into uni"

The Tories are doing the fee rises due to them seeing it as less of a political suicide than taking on the left properly and change the WHOLE system.
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Quite unusually I completely agree with you, the ideal approach is to make university about achievement not income, and to give people an incentive to actually work hard while they're there.
sanaxe1 said:
Can somebody tell me what a rubbish degree is? Surely other then manual labour every sector needs a more educated workforce? Sure the job they go into might not need it but in the long term if they want to progress with there career then a degree will help.
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There are a fair amount of degree courses which would be much much better suited to apprenticeship style training, or even short vocational courses. It's not just the "arts" either, there are just a lot of filler courses, and a lot of them are going to be getting canned within the next couple of years as belts are tightened.
Von Smallhausen said:
Why haven't the government said we will keep fees as they are but we are capping how many go and also cutting down on pointless courses ?
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They think they're doing both, I was told yesterday (by a reliable source) that funding for universities which only offer arts courses is being entirely cut.
 
I don't understand how so many supposedly intelligent students actually have no idea what the new proposals actually mean.

People keep saying this will make Uni unaffordable to the poorer in society when it simply isn't the case. It is not an upfront fee, how can they not see this?

Also remember that not every course is going to cost £9000, only select courses will be at this price and any course over £6000 will have to undertake measures, such as offering bursaries, summer schools and outreach programmes, to encourage students from poorer backgrounds to apply.

No interest is added until you earn enough to start paying it back, which has been raised to £21,000 from £15,000.

The new proposals are more than fair in my opinion.
 
ColdAsIce said:
Also remember that not every course is going to cost £9000, only select courses will be at this price and any course over £6000 will have to undertake measures, such as offering bursaries, summer schools and outreach programmes, to encourage students from poorer backgrounds to apply.
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Irrespective of how it's done the increasing cost of university will price some students out, it will broaden the band priced out by the existing system, enough income to not qualify for any grants, but not sufficiently well off to pay for everything.

Student loans aren't too bad a thing, but we shouldn't be encouraging them to be bigger and bigger, you say you don't pay it back until you can afford it, but you still have to pay it back. I have enough of a problem that I left uni with ~10k to pay off, can't imagine how it would be for those with almost ~50k to pay off, the majority of them will never pay it off, despite the %age of salary taken going up with the threshold
 
What complete and utter *****

What I like is no doubt they'll end up with a criminal record.

Student fees and uni = Qualification WOO HOO

Criminal record + Qualification = No Job
 
Tertiary education is a privilege, not a right. If you can't afford it, then you need to be gifted enough to get a grant/scholarship/etc.

Degrees with directly beneficial career paths should be subsidised, and mickey mouse degrees wholly funded by the person taking it.

That's my view, as someone who didn't go to Uni (out of choice).
 
krooton said:
That's my view, as someone who didn't go to Uni (out of choice).
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Same. I thought I'd probably not be able to sustain the effort needed over 3 years to complete it and get a decent degree. I'd have just spent too much time getting wasted anyway.

Electrical & Electronic engineering at college was enough study for me!
 
ColdAsIce said:
I don't understand how so many supposedly intelligent students actually have no idea what the new proposals actually mean.

People keep saying this will make Uni unaffordable to the poorer in society when it simply isn't the case. It is not an upfront fee, how can they not see this?

Also remember that not every course is going to cost £9000, only select courses will be at this price and any course over £6000 will have to undertake measures, such as offering bursaries, summer schools and outreach programmes, to encourage students from poorer backgrounds to apply.

No interest is added until you earn enough to start paying it back, which has been raised to £21,000 from £15,000.

The new proposals are more than fair in my opinion.
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Exactly.

A common bugbear, and anti-Uni argument ammo for naysayers, is the fact that the majority of Uni students will inevitably end up paying their student loan back for most of their working lives. Unless, of course, they've attended Uni entirely out of the wallet of Mummeehhh and Daddeeehh.

Do these rioters not realise that the increase in fees really doesn't mean that much? Bursaries will be available, loans will be available - yes, you'll have to work part time during Uni but any self-respecting person did that to enjoy themselves anyway!

Considering the threshold for repayment has also been raised, they have no argument saying that they can't afford to make a success of themselves. You'll only start paying it back once you've made some semi-success in the workplace, and at a rate you'll barely notice.

They seem to believe that in the past, a University education was handed out free to all. Complete and utter ignorance.
 
This annoys me, beyond belief!

The fact that most of those pictured won't even be at uni if and when fees are raised adds to my frustration about how thick some people are.

I think fees should be raised, if not just to cover the cost of the damage!

I hope it is the dumbass courses like BAHons in David Beckham that cost the full £9k.

The government should reduce the price of courses for the sectors of the UK that need growth too.
 
PianoBasher said:
Same. I thought I'd probably not be able to sustain the effort needed over 3 years to complete it and get a decent degree. I'd have just spent too much time getting wasted anyway.

Electrical & Electronic engineering at college was enough study for me!
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For me it was purely down to not knowing exactly what I wanted to do with my life at 18 (If I was adamant on being a lawyer/doctor/etc it would have been a different story), and didn't want to spend time and money on doing a degree just for the sake of it.
 
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