Making Criminals disappear?

SlyReaper · 12 Nov 2010 at 22:00

Hedge said:
Just had a thought, lets say someone gets convicted of a heinous crime, and gets sent to prison..

the family and people related to this person see this happen, ya let the dude have visitors once or twice... then say "sorry folks he doesnt want visitors any more, he wants to deal with prison life alone".

then ya just feed him to the pigs and no one gives a rats ass. Job done!.

Such a shame we cant make some of these chumps who disrespected our rememberance day celebrations disappear.

The fact that you're even entertaining this thought, even in jest, is chilling.

KNiVES · 12 Nov 2010 at 22:10

Last time we tried this, our cricket team weren't the best at what they did anymore.

Hedge · 12 Nov 2010 at 23:03

SlyReaper said:
The fact that you're even entertaining this thought, even in jest, is chilling.

Really? surely if someone killed a close relative in cold blood.. infront of you.. you would entertain the idea of making said person disappear.

SlyReaper · 12 Nov 2010 at 23:32

Hedge said:
Really? surely if someone killed a close relative in cold blood.. infront of you.. you would entertain the idea of making said person disappear.

Except you're not talking about revenge, you're talking about setting up a system for secretly making criminals disappear. I hate making slippery slope arguments, but I think this one is legit. If you allow the worst of criminals to "disappear" like this, then where does the line get drawn? Remember, because it's all secret, there would be no oversight, no checks on officials or authorities abusing this power for their own ends.

Hedge · 12 Nov 2010 at 23:55

I dont think I was really seriously entertaining the idea of setting up this system lol.

It was a silly idea when a bit tipsy, however I imagine it would be possible, which is actually probably more scary than me thinking about it.

I didnt expect such depth into my random pondering. But I do agree with what you are saying.

Think maybe im just saying that even with a death sentence outlawed in this country, it could be possible for people in power to just sweep people under the rug.

TJM · 12 Nov 2010 at 23:57

Mark the defeat of fascism by implementing a criminal justice system that silently murders people for expressing unpopular political opinions! Yes!

Hedge · 13 Nov 2010 at 00:05

TJM said:
Mark the defeat of fascism by implementing a criminal justice system that silently murders people for expressing unpopular political opinions! Yes!

I said people who committed heinous crimes

not sickening protests

deadite66 · 13 Nov 2010 at 00:23

you could also taint illegal drugs and wipe out a lot of the druggy problem.

Vonhelmet · 13 Nov 2010 at 00:38

billysielu said:
I think if you're going to be a drain on the system for a long period, the death sentence is more appropriate.

Death sentence is more expensive due to the appeals process.

How. Many. Times.

norm · 13 Nov 2010 at 00:51

I honestly think the gov could save a rack of money if they outsourced prisoners to some labour camp in Russia (with their cooperation obviously).

It would serve as a massive deterrant to any petty criminals if they thought they would lose the luxuries of British residence, not seeing family/friends, no TV, etc.

Not gonna happen though because of EU human rights or whatever.

PermaBanned · 13 Nov 2010 at 00:56

Prison is not a solution to the problem. You don't rehabilitate criminals into fully functional members of society by locking them up for x years with little or no outside contact. Hell, you don't lock them up and expect them to respect you for it.

It's not justice, it's law.

norm · 13 Nov 2010 at 01:07

Superewza said:
Prison is not a solution to the problem. You don't rehabilitate criminals into fully functional members of society by locking them up for x years with little or no outside contact. Hell, you don't lock them up and expect them to respect you for it.

It's not justice, it's law.

And your solution is what?

lollox · 13 Nov 2010 at 15:55

jegz said:
Dexter?

+1

SlyReaper · 13 Nov 2010 at 16:22

norm said:
And your solution is what?

You don't need to have an alternative in mind to see that the current system is bad. Just because it's the best we can do at the moment, doesn't mean it's a good solution to crime problems.

semi-pro waster · 13 Nov 2010 at 16:48

Hedge said:
I said people who committed heinous crimes

not sickening protests

Hedge said:
Such a shame we cant make some of these chumps who disrespected our rememberance day celebrations disappear.

Erm, from your very first post. I accept you might not have meant it but you did state that you'd want to disappear people who disrespect Rememberance Day events so I can see why people might be a bit confused.

Superewza said:
Prison is not a solution to the problem. You don't rehabilitate criminals into fully functional members of society by locking them up for x years with little or no outside contact. Hell, you don't lock them up and expect them to respect you for it.

It's not justice, it's law.

It does rather depend on what you want from your justice system - generally I'd expect it to have both a punishment and rehabilitation element. I don't think that we can entirely do without prison, both for societies proteciton and because we as a society expect to see some form of punishment for transgressors. However I'd also like to see more of a rehabilitation element than currently exists for many prisoners.