Pulled...for being young in a nice car?

Im not being horrible Iain but in certain parts of London and most other big cities, Manchester Birmingham etc you are wrong.

There is most definitely a difference in policing between Sandbanks and Peckham, for a reason obviously.

But dont for one minute thin k that not being a criminal in those areas stops you being driven mad as a black kid more than say me driving through the place, or you for that matter and its got **** all to do with how you drive unless you are being an idiot obviously.

As someone above said, it dosent help these kids driving with a horizontal seat and doing the billy bad bwoy with their head flat on the centre arm rest holding the wheel sideways like a Glock17, or with the bad attitude once stopped.

But here's the rub, after 15 stroppy condescending stops you start to get the hump a bit, which i can appreciate.
 
I think the regionalised thing and the race thing are separate things though.

In rougher areas with high crime rates, of course kids are going to be pulled over more often than nicer areas - with good reason. I think it would happen just as much to a white kid in those areas

It's just the sentiment that race is the only reason that I resent
 
I've been pulled 5 times in the 8 years i've been driving.
Twice for speeding (had a talking to)
Once for tailing an undercover car (had a telling off & still dont feel I was tailing him)
Once for a random drink driving check (passed)
Once for having both brake lights out (hadnt realised & was my first car etc)

Each time the police have been friendly & professional, I honestly havent been able to fault them. So my experience has been ok. I've obviously had them follow me & tap my details in a couple of times then carry on past etc like everyone probably has and i've never driven like a chav with the seat right back looking suspicious.

But then you do get the police which are slightly bent. I was in my dads car with him going down the M4. An undercover jeep kept going right up his rear then dropping back, very aggressively. Then after about 15 miles of doing this finally overtook. About 10 miles further we see it pulled over & it looks as though they are booking someone for speeding. We decided they were just trying to make people speed to fill their quota!

So I guess it's swings & roundabouts.
Sometimes people are probably pulled over for their colour but 90% of the time the reason is probably valid & they are doing something or looking suspicious. A simple way to avoid it is by stopping doing what ever it is.
 
iaind said:
I think the regionalised thing and the race thing are separate things though.

In rougher areas with high crime rates, of course kids are going to be pulled over more often than nicer areas - with good reason. I think it would happen just as much to a white kid in those areas

It's just the sentiment that race is the only reason that I resent
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I obviously havent got the figures but i think you are wrong, black kids do get a worse time of it in rough areas, now if thats because more of them might have a knife or a bit of puff in their pocket i dont know either, but i suspect statistics lean that way, so thats the way it goes, but it does go that way matey.
 
DiamondMark said:
I obviously havent got the figures but i think you are wrong, black kids do get a worse time of it in rough areas, now if thats because more of them might have a knife or a bit of puff in their pocket i dont know either, but i suspect statistics lean that way, so thats the way it goes, but it does go that way matey.
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It's difficult to say, it's not exactly something you can change to see if it gets any better or worse.

I'd like to see the stats, if they exist, both in terms of relative to population but also in terms of relative to crime rates. For example, if a disproportinately high amount of car crime is committed by young black men in those areas, I don't see it being a huge issue.

I'm still confident a lot of it is an easy exuse for a lot of people when the reality is there are a number of factors at play
 
DiamondMark said:
I obviously havent got the figures but i think you are wrong, black kids do get a worse time of it in rough areas, now if thats because more of them might have a knife or a bit of puff in their pocket i dont know either, but i suspect statistics lean that way, so thats the way it goes, but it does go that way matey.
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That goes back to being based on past experience though, if black people in that area are typically more likely to be involved in crime, they'll stop them more.

That doesn't mean the police just stop black people more because they're racist and hate black people and want to give them a hard time.

The police will stop people based on what their experience tells them. Whether it's odd driving, odd looks, driving a car that's too nice or whatever else, or a combination of those things. That is entirely different to 'the police stop people just because they're black'.

I don't see any merit to suggestions that being stopped comes down to solely one reason, be that colour or car or driving style. I think it's a combination of factors more often than not, a combination that cause the local police to become suspicious of you or you car.
 
Kenai said:
That goes back to being based on past experience though, if black people in that area are typically more likely to be involved in crime, they'll stop them more.

That doesn't mean the police just stop black people more because they're racist and hate black people and want to give them a hard time.

The police will stop people based on what their experience tells them. Whether it's odd driving, odd looks, driving a car that's too nice or whatever else, or a combination of those things. That is entirely different to 'the police stop people just because they're black'.

I don't see any merit to suggestions that being stopped comes down to solely one reason, be that colour or car or driving style. I think it's a combination of factors more often than not, a combination that cause the local police to become suspicious of you or you car.
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Im not disagreeing with anything you say, im just saying that for whatever combination of reason, they do seem to stop black kids more.

Further to that i am also saying that despite not being black i can appreciate why plenty of black kids have zero time for cozzers, because if every time you get stopped its a supercilious condescending **** calling you son, it wears thin after a bit.

Its a vicious circle which sadly wont be getting reversed any time soon.

Where do you live out of curiosity?
 
iaind said:
I'm still confident a lot of it is an easy exuse for a lot of people when the reality is there are a number of factors at play
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I'm sure it must seem that way, but I assure you that it is not the case.

Honestly, everytime I've had to deal with the police I hadn't done anything particularly wrong, nor was I in any way rude or unhelpful (I know a lot of Kids say this but were in actual fact being rude, but I seriously wanted. I was polite at all times, answered all of their questions and even broke out the occasional "Sir"). Regardless, I was treated like dirt in each and every situation that I can think of.
 
I never get stopped for looking too young or being azn, I did once get stopped because an officer thought I was putting my belt on at a junction (it was on anyway)!

I get asked for ID buying lotto sometimes too :(
 
I am seeing massive corelation in this thread between people who think its normal and people who in the past posted things which give you the impression they have a certain driving style.

No Joshy not you :p

I suspect these people have no idea they have a particular driving style therefore think all the police attention is totally normal...
 
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