He is basically saying 'well I cant see it, therefore everyone else is wrong and I am right'. No reasoned rebuttal of Nvidia's blog post at all, just a wall of text designed to make people think he actually has a valid point beyond AMD=good Nvidia=bad.
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Nvidia says ATI are cheating again
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He is basically saying 'well I cant see it, therefore everyone else is wrong and I am right'. No reasoned rebuttal of Nvidia's blog post at all, just a wall of text designed to make people think he actually has a valid point beyond AMD=good Nvidia=bad.
Yup
If they are using those kinda opptimisations they may also be using the age old trick of re-rendering the buffer with higher setting if something tries to read it i.e screenshots are a lie. Not saying it is the case but both nVidia and ATI have done it in the past.
I'm liking how DM is hand waving about this and posting walls of text to say how this doesn't matter and that Nvidia are big poopy heads for daring to say anything negative about his precious stock portfolio. When we all know if the situation was reversed (as it has been in times past) he and many others would be raging and banging on about what big green meanies they are.
Fact is AMD have been caught with their pants down (I'm liking how it appears that AMD have a specific AF path when a popular AF testing app is detected..) and I would expect many other sites to shortly pick up on this. This thread should get very entertaining very quickly.
The IQ between ATI & NV have never been exactly the same & sometimes one does better than the other & vice versa, its only when its significant is when in bothered about it NV 7xxx ATI 18xx.
Its gotten to the point that some serious hair-splitting is need in this day & age & is no different to the numerous LCD panels that can show very little difference in IQ but huge difference in cost & most people would not notice the difference.
Since the NV 8xxx I.Q difference has not entered my mind & I'm fussy but not anal retentive.
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Just skimmed through the thread, has anyone raised the question, is it a noticeable IQ change?
OK, I can see the point that it's not strictly fair for an apples to apples comparison which Nvidia is making. HOWEVER, I don't blame ATi (or even Nvidia) if they can get away with gaining a 10% performance increase with no easily noticeable IQ degradation.
Just wondering.
OK, I can see the point that it's not strictly fair for an apples to apples comparison which Nvidia is making. HOWEVER, I don't blame ATi (or even Nvidia) if they can get away with gaining a 10% performance increase with no easily noticeable IQ degradation.
Just wondering.
Well im sure he is not speaking for everyone & me moving from 3870 to 5970 i have not noticed any Q.I improvement outside of DX11 even though we all know statistically that the 5970 has the better Q.I all round i have not been bothered to do a side by side to see it because i simply don't care.
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How about you try and attack what he says and not him personally then you might have said something worth reading. Except you come over as a troll.
And to comment on he actual thread topic. Nvidia can't have a sense of irony as a corporation when back when the FX cards were out against the ATi 9500/9700 and they were 'optomising' their drivers like crazy. Now at the time they needed to do it so they looked like they could compete.
I haven't seen any posts about reduced IQ on AMD cards wih cat' 10.10's, just some more NVidia muck being thrown, and to be honest is one of the main reaons I will stay an ATi/AMD g/card user for years to come. NVidia's PR machine has already spent years 'in the gutter'. I'll never rule out buying another Nvidia card as I've had a few before, but I will try to avoid it.
I hope no one here plays any lossy compressions movies or music files.
Well there you go... It just seems every nvidia thread i go on DM is always trashing Nvidia and defending AMD... But then he has got shares in AMD so...
Sorry but the balance of his post is not about hate & I'm not surprised that you could only pick out the 1% of his post & that is hardly a hate comment.
He also had shares in NV but sold them when they were worth more.
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Nice contribution
How about you try and attack what he says and not him personally then you might have said something worth reading. Except you come over as a troll.
Its not a personal attack at him, its just noting what he says in pretty much everything he posts.
The last ATI card i had was a HD5870, then GTX480 and now a GTX470 so im not biased one little bit.
The only time i really noticed a difference in image quality is when the 8800GTX came out which was awesome.
It really depends on what cookies are in the Jar & the relevance as to what's to come.
AMD has the upper hand in IQ anyway (IMO, 2D - Hard to notice a difference in 3D as all the games I play are fast paced), so depending on the drop they might have simply matched NVs IQ.
If they did drop below that then it's a little pants...
If they did drop below that then it's a little pants...
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i thought i was imagining it when i started questioning AF. I didnt realise ATi have been playing around with it in the 10.10's.
it states quite explicitly in the OP's link that its' not comparable to NV now.
If you are going to accuse him of anything, at least prove him wrong first.
i can see it on some of those pics, but only because i know what im looking for - those pics are too small really but you can see problems with filtering and flickering at 45 degree angles , the same problems ive been having with my 5850. some games more than others though.
it states quite explicitly in the OP's link that its' not comparable to NV now.
Well there you go... It just seems every nvidia thread i go on DM is always trashing Nvidia and defending AMD... But then he has got shares in AMD so...
If you are going to accuse him of anything, at least prove him wrong first.
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i can see it on some of those pics, but only because i know what im looking for - those pics are too small really but you can see problems with filtering and flickering at 45 degree angles , the same problems ive been having with my 5850. some games more than others though.
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Check this comparison out of the 10.1 default quality setting and the high quality setting, the texture flickering is very bad. Notice how there is no flickering on the Nvidia default IQ setting.
So comparing still images will not always reveal the lower IQ as shown here.
http://www.tweakpc.de/hardware/tests/grafikkarten/amd_radeon_hd_6870_hd_6850/s09.php
So comparing still images will not always reveal the lower IQ as shown here.
http://www.tweakpc.de/hardware/tests/grafikkarten/amd_radeon_hd_6870_hd_6850/s09.php
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In comparison to the optimum AF image on the right, they are identical, now compare the 6*** left image with the right, the flickering is bad.
Poor ickle NV
What an insecure company
both will be cheating for the new futuremark as always