dodgy car - what to do?

It sounds like the bigger issue is that his Dad bought a lemon of a car, not that he bought a clocked car.

Either that or the OP considers it a lemon because of the mileage.

They were all happy till the miles discovery.
 
From the sounds of it the car was a right Lemon?

A lemon is a lemon regardless of it reading 50k or 200k, why on earth did your father part with his cash in the first place!?

Anyway, You've got to have a long hard think about the next move, but unfortunately I can see the one and only way of you getting any sort of "justice" is going to require you doing something that you won't really want to repeat on an internet forum.
 
[TW]Fox;17823102 said:
Is it a private seller? If he didn't know there is little you can do if it is.

Oh yes there is. Its a misrepresentation of fact that's induced the buyer to enter into the contract to the buy the car. Recission or damages is your remedy!!! If its a business seller, he's in an even stronger position.

If you can be bothered with the time and effort (and the seller isn't part of the Albanian Mafia), just bring a County Court claim against him.
 
If its a private seller (it now turns out it sort of isn't but of we didn't know when I said that) who did not know the mileage to be incorrect then where is the misrepresentation?
 
....full of stone chips on the bonnet, worn steering, word interior, was probably a cab car.

No service history, no past mot paperwork.

Car starts and runs, but clearly has problems at that mileage, tatty bodywork and interior, noisy engine, stiff steering, squealing brakes, clunking noise coming from it, probs bushes, wishbones etc.

Was the car not test driven, or even looked at, before it was bought?

It comes across like it was purchased purly based on mileage and price!

If the car had all these problems but had a genuine low mileage would you still have bought it?

Just for the record I'm not saying it was okay what he did. I hope you get it sorted and get your money back.
 
Agreed with batfink, the car sounds terrible. Given the list of faults how would anyone think it's low mileage!

It sounds like all the problems were acceptable until mileage was found out.
 
Agreed with batfink, the car sounds terrible. Given the list of faults how would anyone think it's low mileage!

It sounds like all the problems were acceptable until mileage was found out.

Thats what im saying, discovering a higher mileage dont make scratches worse, if it was that bad why did they buy it.

Have they actually spoken to the seller yet?
 
Write it off to experience. Use this to help your old fella out by showing him how to spot a lemon/clocked car. Then just run it until it dies, spend nothing on it and hope it lasts a decent length of time. If not, oh well. you can get some decent stuff sub-£500, just buy something nobody loves.
 
I think you are now verging on taking this too seriously.

lol, i'm just really pee'd of at the moment, you would be angry too if this happen to a loved one. But i've calmed down a little now.

Its not completely uncommon with some vehicles for the odometer to work incorrectly after hitting a certain 6 digit milage so it may or may not be deliberate. I'd be more concerned giving the circumstances tho that it could be stolen or similiar.

It's been clocked mate I can tell you that for a fact, the description my dad gave of the seller even fits in perfectly with the typical car scammers. I don't think it was stolen, well I hope not, cos it had the v5 documents, two keys etc he couldn't have got all that if he stole it and I doubt anyone would steal an old bland family car. Most likely he buys high milers from auctions, clocks them, gets rid of any history showing real mileage, gets a new mot with the clocked mileage and sells them on for small profit. It's quite a common tactic, a bit like these two: http://www.inloughborough.com/news/097796/Car Clockers told to pay up

So its a 200k car with 50k on it?

Did it not ring alarm bells when you found an old cheap car with low mileage? I mean seriously, unless you've just bought an immaculate 7 Series how could you not noticed it had 200kish on it?

The problem here is that there is no proof the seller clocked the car.

My dad doesn't know an awful lot about cars, as i said before he bought out of desperation, his current car is at an age where it needs a lot doing, tax and mot are running out, so he wanted to buy a car, his been looking for a car for a couple of months now, he saw the ad 50 or so miles, 12m mot, low price and bought it, i actually told him not to buy it infact we argued, cos the car was hundred miles away, there was no description on the ad, no service etc, in the ad pics the seats looked very worn, but he doesn't listen, so he went and bought it, his learnt his lesson now.

The op is making it sound like the crime of the century, but it really isn't that significant in financial terms. If he's doing it with more expensive cars then I appreciate the desire to see him crash and burn, but it really isn't worth the blood pressure.

It is for my family, as I said before were not exactly rich, a grand is a lot of money, thats like two months wages for my dad.

and yes he is doing it with more expensive cars, his selling others for 5k, 10k etc, someone out there is gonna lose a lot of money, while he makes a fortune out of others misery.

Advertise the car for sale with the genuine mileage, say the clocks have been replaced due to a faulty speedo and loose a hundred quid on it. It'll cost you more going down any other route

aye, the car will be put on sale, but it's gonna be really hard to sell it like that.

I'd be suprised if it was even him doing it, simply because what is the point? If clocked the car is still so cheap that it isn't even worth 4 figures then where is the profit versus the risk? You'd need to buy really nice condition cars so people didnt notice they were clocked, how many mint condition cars can you get for what, 100-200 quid to make this worth doing!?

I think he works with others, he probably has family or friend who works as a mechanic, the place where he gets mot done to show clocked miles. He doesn't just buy old cheap cars, but more expensive one, with the one my dad bought he could easily make profit on, buy it from auction for £200, clock it to add more value, sell it on for £8/900, nice easy profit. His selling other cars that are more newer or worth more, i wouldn't be surprised if he does have some genuine cars to keep his cover.

I dont know why you even told your dad if you knew it was going to drive him mad, he was happy till that point.
They were all happy till the miles discovery.

Who said we were happy? I was against him buying, which is why I didn't even go along to see the car and i'm not exactly going to let my dad drive around in a dodgy car without telling him what he exactly bought. If any good has come out of it, then my dad's probably learnt a lesson from it, as he never listens to advice given to him.

It sounds like the bigger issue is that his Dad bought a lemon of a car, not that he bought a clocked car.

Either that or the OP considers it a lemon because of the mileage.

Not at all, i do know a thing or two about the cars, and the last two cars my dad bought i inspected them, both were minters. A car could easily be a lemon with low mileage, i went to see one car with him around a month ago it had low miles around 65k but had a gearbox on its way out. This particular car was clocked and falsely bought thinking it was a low mileage car, but from what I observed yesterday i noticed a couple of issues with the car, probably associated with the wear and tear a 200k car would accumulate.

Oh yes there is. Its a misrepresentation of fact that's induced the buyer to enter into the contract to the buy the car. Recission or damages is your remedy!!! If its a business seller, he's in an even stronger position.

If you can be bothered with the time and effort (and the seller isn't part of the Albanian Mafia), just bring a County Court claim against him.

Indeed, he falsely advertised and sold the car sayings its low mileage when HE had clocked it, small claims might be one avenue to pursuit if its actually worth the hassle, time and money.

Was the car not test driven, or even looked at, before it was bought?

It comes across like it was purchased purly based on mileage and price!

If the car had all these problems but had a genuine low mileage would you still have bought it?

Just for the record I'm not saying it was okay what he did. I hope you get it sorted and get your money back.

I think it was test driven, as I said before my dad doesn't know an awful about cars so he didn't check the car thoroughly, the car does start and run and he drove it all the way back home without any problems, but when i went to see it yesterday I noticed a few problems which are mentioned in an earlier post. I would never had bought or approved of the car myself whether it was low or high mileage, i'm very fussy when buying anything.

Write it off to experience. Use this to help your old fella out by showing him how to spot a lemon/clocked car. Then just run it until it dies, spend nothing on it and hope it lasts a decent length of time. If not, oh well. you can get some decent stuff sub-£500, just buy something nobody loves.

Indeed, his learnt a lesson from it, i've told him about car stuff before but he doesn't remember most of it, we will probably try and shift the car if not then he'll probably run the car for a year and see if it lasts. Hopefully if I get a job in the next few months I'll give him some cash to buy something decent.

Thanks to everyone for all the advice, much appreciated.
 
I cant face that wall of text, what have you done about it, have you phoned the seller?
 
I cant face that wall of text, what have you done about it, have you phoned the seller?

We phoned up consumer direct, they filed it with trading standards and advised us to write a letter to the seller for a refund and detailing sales of good act and other legislations etc. Haven't done that yet, not sure whether to phone him and ask for the money back or simply just write a letter, cos he might hang up the phone, change his number and possibly do a runner.

Was hoping to phone up DVLA and get the details of the owner he bought it from and ask them a few questions, if thats possible.
 
MTFU and pick up the phone, if he is going to do a runner your contact method is going to make sweet fa difference.

I expect he will just be complete **** about it and wait for you to give up
 
We phoned up consumer direct, they filed it with trading standards and advised us to write a letter to the seller for a refund and detailing sales of good act and other legislations etc. Haven't done that yet, not sure whether to phone him and ask for the money back or simply just write a letter, cos he might hang up the phone, change his number and possibly do a runner.

Was hoping to phone up DVLA and get the details of the owner he bought it from and ask them a few questions, if thats possible.

Either just go round there or give up, nothing you are talking about doing is going to do 1 jot of good.
 
Either just go round there or give up, nothing you are talking about doing is going to do 1 jot of good.

Got to agree, what a waste of time. Just write this off to experience, your dad was happy until he found out, so the condition of the car must be acceptable to him.

Principles cost time and money, they are not always worth maintaining. This is one of those situations.
 
Unless he works part time, which would be a strange thing to do given his obvious financial position?
 
It dont matter what he earns he can either go round there and have a row or forget it, whichever he feels most able to do, none of the cab/small claims court/police/whining on a forum are going to help him one jot. Because the man will deny clocking it and as long as you have a hole in your arse you will never prove he was the one who clocked it.

Bit harsh but thats that.
 
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Totally agree. You bought a ruined car of which the condition was clear before you handed the money over. It's bad its clocked but in the grand scheme of things is it worth the hassle? Just enjoy the car.
 
[TW]Fox;17828805 said:
If its a private seller (it now turns out it sort of isn't but of we didn't know when I said that) who did not know the mileage to be incorrect then where is the misrepresentation?

Me: Hey Fox do you want to buy these for £1? http://www.natureabove.com/images/banana-clean-FD-lg.jpg
Fox: Okay. Here's a £1.
Me: *takes pound* Okay, here ya go. http://www.saidaonline.com/en/newsgfx/grapes-saidaonline.jpg
Fox: That's not what I ordered.
Me: Sure it is. It's fruit.
Fox: No, you suggested it was bananas.
Me: Okay. Here you go. Bananas. http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTyjRmJUVA0sWohUYx5zL3or82awMDVM9bczovRJ3TGhb4TyKFG
Fox: Hey! These ones are rotten.
Me: No they're not. They're still edible. They're just a bit er, 'older' than what I originally impliedly represented.
Fox: I want my money back.
Me: Tough. Get stuffed.
Fox: I'm gonna sue!

Three months later....

Judge: Restitutio in integrum, my son, Restitutio in integrum! I hereby give judgment in favour of the Claimant.
 
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