Student protest today - spec me a sign
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That's all well and good, but we have a choice here, raise fees or limit places.
Neither is ideal, but the new system is the fairest for all concerned. Especially considering the way in which it is repaid.
It may also have the side effect of making people think about their options in a realistic way instead of automatically going to Uni for the 'experience' with no real direction.
Indeed. I disagree with proportion of that increase.
Indeed
I'd have loved to have gone to uni, just to experience it, I think i'd like the way the teaching system works in that sense.
Yet, I didn't go...and look at me now!...Oh...Wait a minute
I'd much prefer that funding was deferred from pointless courses at lesser academic institutions, personally.
I know someone with a degree in glass blowing, go figure.
So if one group of people are fortunate enough to get a bargain, it should be artificially dragged on indefinitely?
You're going to have to rephrase that for me, sorry.
Who are you to say who can and can't afford it? Who says the terms of the loan won't change later on at government whim? I'd say it's pretty much a nailed on certainty than graduates will end up paying more than the government are saying at the moment, especially when there's a significant part of the projected graduate population who will never pay off their loans. Do you think that they're just going to let people retire and write off the rest of the loan?
What is the requisite salary? I bet it's a good deal lower than the average wage. It is a liability - don't pay it, go bankrupt. If it's not really debt then don't call it a loan - hint: it is very real debt.
Except that it massively favours the privileged few over everyone else. I say the ones who get the most benefit from the higher education system should be the ones who pay more for it, not those who have the least benefit before entering higher education.
£15k.
Rising to 21k
and iirc above what someone working minimum wage for the average number of hours would earn, so they wouldn't pay it.
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Very good.
"I'm with stupid" with the arrow pointing down at yourself.
"I should be studying but I'm more interested in being a public nuisance."
"KICK ME."
"Smart enough for uni, stupid enough to think this will work."
"SCROUNGER AND PROUD."
Seriously, why don't you go to the library and get some ****ing work done. You're already paying up the current fees, what the hell do you care if they go up??
AND MORE TO THE POINT, YOU LIVE IN CLIFTON - THAT'S ONE OF THE MOST AFFLUENT STUDENT AREAS IN BRISTOL, WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU WHINGING ABOUT??
"I should be studying but I'm more interested in being a public nuisance."
"KICK ME."
"Smart enough for uni, stupid enough to think this will work."
"SCROUNGER AND PROUD."
Seriously, why don't you go to the library and get some ****ing work done. You're already paying up the current fees, what the hell do you care if they go up??
AND MORE TO THE POINT, YOU LIVE IN CLIFTON - THAT'S ONE OF THE MOST AFFLUENT STUDENT AREAS IN BRISTOL, WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU WHINGING ABOUT??
Correct. Minimum wage for average hours is £11,563.50 per annum so it's set almost double (or will be when it's £21k)
We have several employees in their thirties now who earn less than £21k per annum.
To my mind it's a great idea. So if you want to go get a degree in something like rock music then pick up the debt but chances are you will never repay it.
Get a degree in medicine and of course you will pay it all back but then again, quite easy to do so when your earning £100k+
As for b), I am aware of the points you have made, but they don't change the fact that people are now going to pay nine times more tuition fees than I had to when I was an undergraduate. I don't think people should have to pay that much money to have the same opportunity as I had. It's as simple as that for me. You are perfectly free to disagree
Actually, its trebled from the current tuition fees. What were the protests you attended in 2006 like when it also trebled from your £1000 to £3000?
EDIT: Rofl at this hippie on bbc news right now, apparently corporations aren't feeling the financial crisis. I wonder why loads of people lost their jobs then? I guess the corporations just trimmed their workforce for lols.
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Why should I pay higher taxes or do without services to fund those who wish to gain a degree to further their own financial security. Go by all means, but accept the responsibility and pay for it. It isn't difficult to budget repayment of a student loan on an average salary.
As for Government whim, that is true of absolutely any system you care to invent, so it's a pointless argument. And your nailed down certainty? Got a source for that, or is it simply hyperbole.
£21k is the cut-off AFAIK. which is around the average salary range. I did not say it was not a debt, but it is not treated the same as normal loans by credit scoring and thus is not a liability in the same way as a mortgage or highstreet loan would be.
I say those that benefit should repay what the course costs as and when their salary is sufficient to do so. That doesn't favour any demographic significantly over another. Especially as there will be MORE non repayable grants than there ate currently to help those in real need.
To use an analogy, Asking someone to pay £50,000 or £100,000 or even 1,000,000 (if your a banker!) for a Ford Mondeo just because they earn more to allow those who earn less to get one free is unfair. Fairer to say we will give everyone a Mondeo and when you earn over a certain amount you can begin to pay for it, if you drop below that amount or after 30 years we will suspend or write off that debt.
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I don't think it's particularly unfair for that reason. But it shares almost every flaw of loan-for-fees and adds a load of its own.