Student protest today - spec me a sign

I agree, it doesn't mean a jot in isolation, but this isn't in isolation.

It is clearly in isolation in terms of society and the various instruments of it.

It's certainly almost in isolation within education too, being concerned with University Funding.


The prime beneficery of a degree is the person taking it, they benefit the most from it. Surely then it makes sense if they also bear the lions share of the cost?

Yes, if state expentiture cannot cover it.

However, the main point everyone skips is, it's not just the funding.

It's why they are having to now pay more that is the issue.

Bankers mess, labour and its reign, the total joke that is 'foreign aid', and nuclear weapons come to mind etc come to mind.

Some people think the priorities are wrong, some right. That much is clearly obvious.

Yes the person benefits [heavy citation], but business and state and society as a whole also benefit.

Especially if it is structured so that you don't pay anything up front, you only start paying it back once earning a reasonable amount and the interest you are charged depends on how much you are earning?

Why do people keep rolling this around as if its new with flashy lights?

It doesn't matter, if I went to Uni ten years ago I wouldn't have had to pay it up front.





It still costs you nothing up front to do a degree and if you never earn a large amount of money you will still pay nothing for it.

Who in here did have to pay upfront from that background? If you did you're about to retire or rich or not really personally affected anyway!!!

You, and others keep listing the usual repayment arrangements of the loans, but it doesn't matter.

This is not the issue at stake.

But don't any of you let stating the obvious get in the way of objectivity.
 
I wont let any of that make me start giving a **** about the concept of paying for what you get, thats for certain.

Can't help ignorance can you?

Cause that has nothing to do with my argument.

I even agree with paying for what you get under certain circumstances.

It's why, and the circumstances around it.
 
Can't help ignorance can you?

Cause that has nothing to do with my argument.

Nope im sadly ignorant to the whining masses of students stuck on the idea the country owes them something.

What does the why matter? It is what it is,if they dont like it, get a job instead of a degree.
 
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Like hitting a peaceful protester on the head with a baton and refusing them first aid? Or how about kettling? Especially when there are under 16s trapped - that's simply illegal. Who polices the police?

Of course, in order to be "fair", something which this thread seems to repeatedly go on about in other quarters, we should also mention despicable behaviour of the students too. In the interests of balance of course.
 
Nope im sadly ignorant to the whining masses of students stuck on the idea the country owes them something.

Nope, the more you type the more your ignorance betrays itself to me.

Grumpy old man syndrome.

They don't think the country owes them something, they want social fairness and equality in the cuts. This isn't happening.

Unfortunately or not,the social conscience tends to be more alive in youth as they haven't been bought yet or been indocrinated.
 
Oh, and by the way - Officer U2128 kicked an unarmed 15 year old girl. Report them!

Really?

When the met police were up in Scotland earning overtime knocking **** out of even the elderly trying to walk down the street in midst of the G8 protests, they all had their numbers removed funnily enough.

;)
 
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It's surprising really - the number of police at Newcastle was relatively low, and they were very well behaved. Of course, about 200 of them appeared from nowhere when we got near the Civic Centre but still.
 
Nope, the more you type the more your ignorance betrays itself to me.

Grumpy old man syndrome.

They don't think the country owes them something, they want social fairness and equality in the cuts. This isn't happening.

Unfortunately or not,the social conscience tends to be more alive in youth as they haven't been bought yet or been indocrinated.

How old are you out of curiosity?
 
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