Iphone or Andriod: Which first smartphone for Oxy?

Even though you're having a pop at me that's the beauty of Android which is you can come into the Android market at a very low level where you have no option with an Iphone.
Obviously to directly compete with an Iphone you have to come at an HTC Desire or Samsung Galaxy level (apologies for the handsets I've missed out).
My wife doesn't need the gadgets that I need it for and the phones you mentioned would be perfect for her.
In fact she was trying a LG GT540 which she was very impressed with.

Having a pop at you?
Get over yourself lol.
 
Having a pop at you?
Get over yourself lol.

You misunderstand lol (did I just use lol, I will have to kill myself).

You most definitely came back at me with 2 phones that are nowhere near as good as an Iphone did you not or was I dreaming?
Oh yeah post #115.

So you would have a Wildfire or an X10 over an iPhone?

The fact is you have no choice with an Iphone but with Android you can start on the lowest rung and pay a much cheaper rate.
I think Iphones are amazing but I don't understand why anybody would now choose one over the top Androids.
 
Read the original post I quoted, you said you don't understand why anyone would chose an iPhone over an android. Given this is a thread where the op doesn't really have a clue about the phones, it's best that he's not mistaken about just how good android phones are ;)
Just because a phone has android, doesn't make it as good or better than an iPhone ;)
 
Just because a phone has android, doesn't make it as good or better than an iPhone ;)

Indeed, this is fair point. I'd take an iPhone 4 in a heartbeat over all of the low end Android phones and even some/most of the higher end ones.
 
I wouldn't compare the iPhone 4 to a HTC Hero. The iPhone 4 is WAY better, even though the Hero has Android, its old and with the new 2.1+ its awfully slow and bad.

Did I mention its bad? :p

Lol

I am not comparing the two, just mentioning that I I've used both platforms extensively.

I think my points remain valid though. :D

What I really want is an android phone with a high screen res and a battery life that matches the iPhone. It being able to scroll as smoothly ad the iPhone would also be a plus.
 
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It being able to scroll as smoothly ad the iPhone would also be a plus.

This isn't a problem on a custom ROM such as DeFrost, Leedroid, Oxygen which use BFQ/BFS scheduling. The stock kernel on a stock ROM isn't quite as efficient especially after many apps have been installed and internal cache memory fills up with data.
 
Read the original post I quoted, you said you don't understand why anyone would chose an iPhone over an android. Given this is a thread where the op doesn't really have a clue about the phones, it's best that he's not mistaken about just how good android phones are ;)
Just because a phone has android, doesn't make it as good or better than an iPhone ;)

Lets make no mistake that you lads on here know more about mobile phones than I ever will.
If you are at 100 I'm at 1 because I've never had any real interest.
All my phones have been 'emergency' phones and my last one was an LG Cookie (need I say more?).
I could easily not spend more than £10 a year on PAYG.

However I know my IPOD Touch inside out and was able to use an IPhone for a month (my daughters) and was able to fall in love with it.
I was then turned on to the Samsung Galaxy by 3 women in the office, then found out my bass player had one and I played with that for hours.
I couldn't see any difference in what an IPhone and top Android phone can do but the Android does it way cheaper.
If I'm wrong then list the main differences.
 
This isn't a problem on a custom ROM such as DeFrost, Leedroid, Oxygen which use BFQ/BFS scheduling. The stock kernel on a stock ROM isn't quite as efficient especially after many apps have been installed and internal cache memory fills up with data.

Absolutely, but you have to fiddle for hours with it and continually update it to get it to thy stage.

I am mighty impressed with a SF running a custom 2.2 ATM. However it has taken a lot of research and tweaking fr my friend to get it to that stage.

I come back to my original point that it takes a lot of fiddling to get an android phone up to an iPhone standard but it can be done.

Dmpoole- every android top end phone I played with in June was inferior in some small way to the iPhone. For example galaxy s had lag issues and screen judder, desire was amazing but not as smooth scrolling around BBC.co.uk as the iPhone. As I was buying sim free, I felt the iPhone was a better prospect.

If they have now resolved those issues at stock level that is great, however it has taken 6 months and you still have carrier branding to deal with.

I don't want to bash android because I do think it is the future and I loOk forward to returning to the platform. However to say that a top end android phone is better than the iPhone is, in general, deceptive.

In specific instances, there will be things that you can do on android that the iPhone cannot. In the main though, out of the box, the iPhone is a more rounded phone with far fewer issues.

What has to be set against that is the excessive contract costs of the iPhone and the knowledge that if something is not happening the way you want it to, on the iPhone you are stuck with it.
 
I come back to my original point that it takes a lot of fiddling to get an android phone up to an iPhone standard but it can be done.

If you're replying to Khaaan then he's talking about HTC Desire ROMs, which takes a couple of clicks to root/put a custom ROM on. Hardly a 'lot of fiddling'. It takes about the same effort to setup and activate an iPhone.

It's certainly far less effort than it takes to jailbreak an iPhone to bring it up to Android standard.
 
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Absolutely, but you have to fiddle for hours with it and continually update it to get it to thy stage.

I am mighty impressed with a SF running a custom 2.2 ATM. However it has taken a lot of research and tweaking fr my friend to get it to that stage.

I come back to my original point that it takes a lot of fiddling to get an android phone up to an iPhone standard but it can be done.

Dmpoole- every android top end phone I played with in June was inferior in some small way to the iPhone. For example galaxy s had lag issues and screen judder, desire was amazing but not as smooth scrolling around BBC.co.uk as the iPhone. As I was buying sim free, I felt the iPhone was a better prospect.

If they have now resolved those issues at stock level that is great, however it has taken 6 months and you still have carrier branding to deal with.

I don't want to bash android because I do think it is the future and I loOk forward to returning to the platform. However to say that a top end android phone is better than the iPhone is, in general, deceptive.

In specific instances, there will be things that you can do on android that the iPhone cannot. In the main though, out of the box, the iPhone is a more rounded phone with far fewer issues.

What has to be set against that is the excessive contract costs of the iPhone and the knowledge that if something is not happening the way you want it to, on the iPhone you are stuck with it.

I can't talk for the Sanfransico, as I don't own one but there's absolutely no reason or need to install a Kernel with BFQ and BFS for the HTC Desire to operate smoothly.

I'm running the standard Kernel in the 2.29 HTC ROM and there's absolutely no slow down what so ever, BFQ and BFS are queuing and scheduling changes to the Linux kernel for the server and desktop environment.

If anything, there's been more reported slow downs with BFS/BFQ when running media players such as Rock Player over on XDA.

I bought this phone SIM free, whilst I didn't pay the going rate for it, I still consider it a £400 piece of kit and expect it to meet my high expectations of a £400 device. If I experienced any performance issues, I would be the first one to admit it.
 
If the iPhone 4 had been the same price on contracts as the DHD, it would have been a very tough decision for me as I loved the screen and the thin proportions of the iPhone.

However there are so many aspects of the iPhone 4 that cripple it out of the box for me, and which mean that, no matter how good the screen, I couldn't live with it...not being able to mount the SD card in file explorer for example. Deal breaker right there! Also can you drag and drop MP3s from Windows to the phone? Don't think you can?

I won't re-hash all the same points but the way I view things, is that Apple is form over function, the DHD is function over form (though I still think it looks great :p).

If you're the type that 'just uses iTunes cause it's fine', then the iPhone 4 will work for you. Personally I don't like being told what I can and can't use my phone for.

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I come back to my original point that it takes a lot of fiddling to get an android phone up to an iPhone standard but it can be done

I don't see this, at all. Comparable at the moment in terms of market segment are the HTC DHD and the iPhone 4. Widgets and customisation of home screens for example...out of the box the DHD is relatively very customisable and being able to stick calendar / switch / news widgets wherever you want with live feeds on the home screens etc., is a god send. The iPhone just seems to have pages of app icons (correct me if I'm wrong).

People say the iPhone 4 works out of the box, which it does, but you also have to consider what it works as, which is a very simple affair. The DHD works out of the box also in my view, but allows you to do far more before you even consider rooting.
 
Lets make no mistake that you lads on here know more about mobile phones than I ever will.
If you are at 100 I'm at 1 because I've never had any real interest.
All my phones have been 'emergency' phones and my last one was an LG Cookie (need I say more?).
I could easily not spend more than £10 a year on PAYG.

However I know my IPOD Touch inside out and was able to use an IPhone for a month (my daughters) and was able to fall in love with it.
I was then turned on to the Samsung Galaxy by 3 women in the office, then found out my bass player had one and I played with that for hours.
I couldn't see any difference in what an IPhone and top Android phone can do but the Android does it way cheaper.
If I'm wrong then list the main differences.

You've hit the nail on the head to be honest. The majority of smartphones will do what you need these days and the so called differences won't mean a thing when you buy one. The main selling point for the iphone is not that it is technically better (its not now anyway) just that a lot of people have them so you can share apps experiences with mates. This is a big selling point though.

I use my HTC Desire HD to do the same things my Nokia 5800 did - ok its a lot faster and user friendly but still the same browsing/emails/music/games that most people will do. Though reading books on it is great - a totally unexpected bonus how comfortable it is to read on - currently reading Bram Stokers Dracula that came free with it. I'm running it at stock - no rooting. I can say I'm as happy with this phone as I would be if I got the Samsung Galaxy or Iphone - there will always be something to highlight about any of these new line of smart phones!

Pick the one you like the sound of - there is really no best or better just the one most suited to your style of use. Even the low end phones perform really well.
 
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Lets make no mistake that you lads on here know more about mobile phones than I ever will.
If you are at 100 I'm at 1 because I've never had any real interest.
All my phones have been 'emergency' phones and my last one was an LG Cookie (need I say more?).
I could easily not spend more than £10 a year on PAYG.

However I know my IPOD Touch inside out and was able to use an IPhone for a month (my daughters) and was able to fall in love with it.
I was then turned on to the Samsung Galaxy by 3 women in the office, then found out my bass player had one and I played with that for hours.
I couldn't see any difference in what an IPhone and top Android phone can do but the Android does it way cheaper.
If I'm wrong then list the main differences.

I thought i responded to this :( silly phone!

The Galaxy S is one of the best Android phones out at the moment, that is not just down to Android though.
There are plenty of poor implementations of Android, or phones that just dont have good enough spec to make it really good.

Not all android phones are made equally, which is my point. You used a top end phone and found it great, that doesnt mean that all of them are great ;)

That is the point that I am making.
 
Pick the one you like the sound of - there is really no best or better just the one most suited to your style of use. Even the low end phones perform really well.

Very true, which is why this debate will always end up with who needs what from a phone. It's subjective and personal and as a result, there is never really a right answer.

I'd still love to hear how people share their MP3s on an iPhone though? And transfer files over bluetooth? I just can't understand how people can live without these things :).
 
I'd still love to hear how people share their MP3s on an iPhone though? And transfer files over bluetooth? I just can't understand how people can live without these things :).

never done that or know anyone who does that on a phone anyway :/ not to mention it being illegal.

i just cant understand how people can live without a decent camera and some top games...
 
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never done that or know anyone who does that on a phone anyway :/ not to mention it being illegal.

i just cant understand how people can live without a decent camera and some top games...

Illegal? WTF are you on about?

And just because "andy" from OcUK doesn't do it or know anyone that does it, doesn't mean nobody does it. You also totally ignored my point about it being unmountable out of the box.

In answer to your second point, they buy a camera and a PC.
 
i just cant understand how people can live without a decent camera and some top games...

Yeah, the low end Android Cameras are awful, but the top end ones are just about iPhone 4 quality, some slightly better (situational) and some slightly worse. All of them fairly useless a lot of the time.
 
Well my Mummy has reported back and I can get a Black, grey and white one locally all with massive stock levels.

Does the black have the OLED screen? (Orange San Francisco)
 
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