Overreaction warning: World War 3

Amp34 said:
Perhaps that just because N Korea would fight with an army to begin with doesn't mean they would carry on like that. It happens in every country with anyone remotely patriotic, once the open fighting stops the dirty fighting begins (Afghanistan now). We are not in an age of chivaly where once the leader is captured he hands over a weapon and the land goes back to peace...
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See but once again where did I suggest that they would fight as an army until the end. Of course war will change how a country will fight. I haven't said anything other then an army vs army will be different to Army vs terrorists.
 
Duggan said:
I don't get why you jumped on my post when I wasn't replying to your point. Did you read what I put, I didnt say who would win or loose. I said that the taliban vs an army would be different to army vs army. I didnt even suggest what the fighting would be like army to army or who would win? And then you bring up the Vietcong army as an example? Sorry I think I missed what your suggesting other that maybe north Korea would fight in the same style?
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I wasn't jumping on you Duggan I was agreeing and supporting you....:D
 
Tefal said:
Well you don't want to invade someone who actually has WMD's :p
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Plus no oil to "liberate"


wannabedamned said:
China can't stay out of it either, they have a treaty in place with north korea. and everyone is putting pressure on China to stop their trading with north korea. Which unfortunately puts china smack bang in the middle of all this, as we all know North Korea's political ways. If China stops trading with North Korea, i can imagine President Kim Jong-il will spit out his dummy and god knows what that will lead to with a mad man like that in control
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Kim Jong-il is the supreme leader, Kim Il-sung is the president (special dispensation was granted to him so he could stay in office after his death) lol
 
In a long/medium range fight the MiGs would stand no chance at all vs modern air to air missiles. From what I've read if it came to a shooting war, they would try to keep air battles at extreme close range over North Korea to try to negate the technical superiority of the South Korean/US airforce. I think the life expectancy of a North Korean pilot would be very short indeed.
 
Von Smallhausen said:
North Korea's military is huge but it's equipment seems to be very outdated.

Don't they still use MiGs from the 1950s ?
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yes though they do have a few 29S's, and on average its plots are estimated to only get a few hours a year practise. For comparison, Tornado pilots (undoubtedly some of the finest in the world) in the RAF get 12.5 hours a month and that was higher until a few months ago.

wikipedia said:
Most estimates present a rather grim picture: AFH per pilot for the KPAF are said to be only 7, 15 or 25 hours per pilot each year - comparable to the flying hours of air forces in ex-Soviet countries in the early 1990s. In comparison, most NATO fighter pilots fly at least 150 hours a year
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In addition the 40 MiG 29S are apparently only for defence of Pyongyang. Everything else is relatively speaking, in the dark ages. South Korea has around 40 F15Es and about 180 F16s by comparison as well as a ton of older F4s and F5s. They are supposedly also interested buying a load of the new F15SE, F35 or Typhoon to replace the older F4s and F5s.

The F16 is an incredibly capable aircraft anyway, let alone against the ageing North Korean aircraft. 180 of them would i think eliminate most if any threat.
 
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At the last report the south had:

F15E: 42
F16C/D: 169
F4E: 68
F5E/F: 174

The North have an unknown mix of the following:

MiG-29S
MiG-23ML
MiG-21
MiG-19
MiG-17

Now looking at that your probably thinking "lol, old migs, no chance", because a lot of us grew up with top gun and know migs are rubbish, however in the real world it would be an even fight. The south have nothing that can match a Mig-29S as their F15E's are the air to ground fighter bomber variant not the air superiority fighter and would have a hard time against the MiG-23ML's. Their F16's are the Ford Mondeos of the sky (produced/sold on mass, designed to fill a point in the market not to do the best possible job, etc) and the MiG-23ML could take the on 1v1, The F4 and F5 are both on par with the MiG-21, the MiG-19/17 jets are very outdated but can carry missiles that could shoot down the F4/5's and they could also cause trouble for bombers/awacs/etc so don't write them off either.
 
isn't it the f-15 that has never lost a pilot/plane i ncombat?


iirc there was an American/Israeli pilot who flew one home with a wing missing.
 
ubersonic said:
At the last report the south had:

F15E: 42
F16C/D: 169
F4E: 68
F5E/F: 174

The North have an unknown mix of the following:

MiG-29S
MiG-23ML
MiG-21
MiG-19
MiG-17

Now looking at that your probably thinking "lol, old migs, no chance", because a lot of us grew up with top gun and know migs are rubbish, however in the real world it would be an even fight. The south have nothing that can match a Mig-29S as their F15E's are the air to ground fighter bomber variant not the air superiority fighter and would have a hard time against the MiG-23ML's. Their F16's are the Ford Mondeos of the sky (produced/sold on mass, designed to fill a point in the market not to do the best possible job, etc) and the MiG-23ML could take the on 1v1, The F4 and F5 are both on par with the MiG-21, the MiG-19/17 jets are very outdated but can carry missiles that could shoot down the F4/5's and they could also cause trouble for bombers/awacs/etc so don't write them off either.
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But what are they armed with?

the very best mig in the world will fail against an older plane with advanced American air to air missiles if it only has outdated and poorly serviced soviet stuff.
 
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