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BFG - What happened?

Soldato
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I have two BFG cards which are still working but I liked the fact that these were covered for 10 years. Still have about 7 years left on them.

So basically they don't have any cover now?

Sorry if this is old news but I only just tried to log into their site and couldnt find it.
 
They went bankrupt - Nvidia effectively screwed them over, followed by Bestbuy cutting them out (who were their biggest stockist at the time) ...and your right this is seriously old news.

your 7 years means nothing. if they break you gotta go buy new ones.
 
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They offered 10 year warranty's in order to attract customers and make money (good plan) however the products weren't designed to last that long some weren't even designed to last five years (bad plan), they went out of business
 
They offered 10 year warranty's in order to attract customers and make money (good plan) however the products weren't designed to last that long some weren't even designed to last five years (bad plan), they went out of business

completely not true and very far fetched tbh without looking at the facts at all.
every manufacturer out there has failure rates it happens its electronics and bfg were no different to any other out there.

what actually happened was that fermi chips were mega low, nvidia squeezed allocation a lot and it hurt BFG since their production line is realitively small compared to other companies and in the world of mass production they simply couldnt make enough to be profitable. As such they dropped out of the GPU market and carried on making PSU;s.
Bestbuy as one of their major retailers (who shifted vast amounts of their stock compared to others) didnt like this and subsequently pulled the PSU's from stock. and that was the end of it.

This is why XFX decided to start going ATI, it doesnt pay anymore to be dedicated to one brand.
 
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They offered 10 year warranty's in order to attract customers and make money (good plan) however the products weren't designed to last that long some weren't even designed to last five years (bad plan), they went out of business
That's not the main problem though. The problem is with lots of card owners delibrately abuse their dated graphic card, and rma them hoping for a free upgrade :o
 
completely not true and very far fetched tbh without looking at the facts at all.
every manufacturer out there has failure rates it happens its electronics and bfg were no different to any other out there.

what actually happened was that fermi chips were mega low, nvidia squeezed allocation a lot and it hurt BFG since their production line is realitively small compared to other companies and in the world of mass production they simply couldnt make enough to be profitable. As such they dropped out of the GPU market and carried on making PSU;s.
Bestbuy as one of their major retailers (who shifted vast amounts of their stock compared to others) didnt like this and subsequently pulled the PSU's from stock. and that was the end of it.

This is why XFX decided to start going ATI, it doesnt pay anymore to be dedicated to one brand.

Actually it is true, and not at all far fetched, the Fermi issue did hurt them a lot but the writing was already on the wall at that point, this was a disaster 8 years in the making, you can only run a business for so long using an unprofitable business model.

That's not the main problem though. The problem is with lots of card owners delibrately abuse their dated graphic card, and rma them hoping for a free upgrade :o

Indeed, like I said the bubble had burst for them before the Fermi issue.


The strange thing about BFG was they tried to run a legit business using a scam business model, it was madness and it killed them.
 
Its really got smeg all to do with warrantys, for every person who purposefully broke their cards to get a free replacement, they sold probably a million other cards. People say they'll do things like that, they VERY rarely actually will.

Likewise, remember that if you had a 10 year old, I dunno ti4200, if you kill it 9 years 364 days later, you're getting a I dunno, gt210 as a replacement.

They went out of business mostly because Nvidia has been selling cards at , well, between a loss and borderline at cost since the 280gtx, well since the 4870 launched and the volume card, the 260gtx, suddenly had to compete on price with a core that cost much less than half the cost to make, much much much less.

THey weren't the biggest reseller and they, maybe more than others had just been investing at exactly the wrong time. They moved into things like PSU's, which would have cost them a fair bit to get going, and hadn't they branched out in a few other area's, and unfortunately a lot of that investing and expanding basically happened in the months/year up to world economic oblivion. Which meant they, more than most, probably went into the economic crash having recently invested a lot of their cash reserves, being one of the smaller resellers so as sales dropped dramatically and Nvidia(and everyone else) dropped production, they probably weren't getting the best deal going.

Then around that time is also where AMD put a HUGE squeeze on Nvidia pricing top to bottom but across ALL the lucractive midrange cores.

BFG were in trouble, a year before Fermi hit, it had nothing to do with Fermi, nothing to do with Best Buy(other than probably Nvidia seeing an opportunity to replace them so maybe, shall we say, helping push them over the edge?).

I would also guess that, EVGA sell professional cards, did BFG, I honestly don't know which partners are involved in the professional cards sales, I would guess that BFG's professional sales(where margins were still very good even in during the stock market crash and the basically year either side of horrible sales volume) were either non existant or not good, and again this kept other partners going.

Basically, all the partners seem to be having a hard time as sole Nvidia sellers, EVGA has the professional cards, and did have motherboards to fall back on. BFG got more than anything unlucky with timing of their other moves. Theres no certainty they would have stuck around had they moved to AMD, theres more profit but AMD had no reason to give them any stock over their existing partners who were buying everything they could make anyway.

Wasn't it BFG who was rumoured to have bought AMD chips/cards to build their own cards around as a backup/emergency plan, and when it came down to it AMD said no when they asked them to be a proper supplier.

Again at that point, if AMD is selling 25million chips a year, and their partners want 40million chips, they only hurt their loyal customers by taking another company on, and at this point BFG would have been close to bankrupt so you'd also be bringing in a potentially unstable name into the AMD fold where they could quite easily have sold loads of cards, gone bankrupt, and left a lot of AMD card owners screwed, it just wasn't worth it.
 
BFG US went bankrupt, BFG UK branch found a new manufacturer: Galaxy, and now selling under new name: KFA.

you can phone up KFA and ask them, they used to be with BFG, now the same people are working for Galaxy under Europe name of KFA.


although warranty length is not as good, but you can expect same excellent RMA and similar box art as BFG.
 
BFG US went bankrupt, BFG UK branch found a new manufacturer: Galaxy, and now selling under new name: KFA.

you can phone up KFA and ask them, they used to be with BFG, now the same people are working for Galaxy under Europe name of KFA.


although warranty length is not as good, but you can expect same excellent RMA and similar box art as BFG.

You mean same excellent RMA that I had with BFG. 2/3 years in and I am left stranded.

Never touch anything related to them again.
 
Its really got smeg all to do with warrantys, for every person who purposefully broke their cards to get a free replacement, they sold probably a million other cards. People say they'll do things like that, they VERY rarely actually will.

I know that not many people did, however for every card they sold they gave a warranty that exceeded the products lifespan, suicidal business, it would be like XFX doing buy one get one free on every product or Sapphire selling everything at half price, they would sell loads but make a massive loss, BFG's business model just delayed the loss however after 8 years the snowball had become an avalanche and was threatening to consume them.



Likewise, remember that if you had a 10 year old, I dunno ti4200, if you kill it 9 years 364 days later, you're getting a I dunno, gt210 as a replacement.

It would more likely be a GTX250/260 that's how it works, you cant fob them off with something as good but half the value. I.E If my M1730's motherboard burnt and destroyed the laptop then dell would have to replace it (which they cant do as its no longer made) or give me a new Alienware 17" laptop (which they are doing for M1730 warranty customers atm).



They went out of business mostly because Nvidia has been selling cards at , well, between a loss and borderline at cost since the 280gtx, well since the 4870 launched and the volume card, the 260gtx, suddenly had to compete on price with a core that cost much less than half the cost to make, much much much less.

THey weren't the biggest reseller and they, maybe more than others had just been investing at exactly the wrong time. They moved into things like PSU's, which would have cost them a fair bit to get going, and hadn't they branched out in a few other area's, and unfortunately a lot of that investing and expanding basically happened in the months/year up to world economic oblivion. Which meant they, more than most, probably went into the economic crash having recently invested a lot of their cash reserves, being one of the smaller resellers so as sales dropped dramatically and Nvidia(and everyone else) dropped production, they probably weren't getting the best deal going.

Then around that time is also where AMD put a HUGE squeeze on Nvidia pricing top to bottom but across ALL the lucractive midrange cores.

BFG were in trouble, a year before Fermi hit, it had nothing to do with Fermi, nothing to do with Best Buy(other than probably Nvidia seeing an opportunity to replace them so maybe, shall we say, helping push them over the edge?).

I would also guess that, EVGA sell professional cards, did BFG, I honestly don't know which partners are involved in the professional cards sales, I would guess that BFG's professional sales(where margins were still very good even in during the stock market crash and the basically year either side of horrible sales volume) were either non existant or not good, and again this kept other partners going.

Basically, all the partners seem to be having a hard time as sole Nvidia sellers, EVGA has the professional cards, and did have motherboards to fall back on. BFG got more than anything unlucky with timing of their other moves. Theres no certainty they would have stuck around had they moved to AMD, theres more profit but AMD had no reason to give them any stock over their existing partners who were buying everything they could make anyway.

Wasn't it BFG who was rumoured to have bought AMD chips/cards to build their own cards around as a backup/emergency plan, and when it came down to it AMD said no when they asked them to be a proper supplier.

Again at that point, if AMD is selling 25million chips a year, and their partners want 40million chips, they only hurt their loyal customers by taking another company on, and at this point BFG would have been close to bankrupt so you'd also be bringing in a potentially unstable name into the AMD fold where they could quite easily have sold loads of cards, gone bankrupt, and left a lot of AMD card owners screwed, it just wasn't worth it.

I agree that all played a part, and had it not been for the Fermi issue they would have stayed in business longer but the warranty's were the key player in their downfall,their business model was a ticking time bomb that grew louder and louder as time progressed.

Selling promises you cant keep is a good money maker but if you live long enough for them to stack up they will destroy you.
 
You mean same excellent RMA that I had with BFG. 2/3 years in and I am left stranded.

Never touch anything related to them again.

Well, it wasn't really these guys fault was it? OK, 2 years is not amazing, 3 would be great but if it's in the UK and its of decent quality I would go to them before Palit, Powecolor or Inno3D for example.
 
Zotac support phone number is also a UK number, so they are also worth buying IMHO.

not sure what's obsession with EVGA, they are based all the way in Germany
 
Most BFG GPU's were overclocked, without any additional cooling methods being deployed - I believe that this was the root cause of BFG's high failure rate and, alongside their warranty periods, was ultimately the reason for their demise.
 
It was more than that, my brother's BFG 8800GT was stock speeds and died, both my BFG GTX260 were OC varieties but was only a few mhz over stock not enough to make any odds - both died within a short time of each other. I know another friend with a 280 running at stock speeds that started BSODing and another with a pair of factory water cooled 9800GTX that both died... coupled with the number of forum posts I absolutely can't accept that BFG didn't have an abnormal level of failure with their cards - that and the people breaking them to try and get a free upgrade really didn't help.
 
That's not the main problem though. The problem is with lots of card owners delibrately abuse their dated graphic card, and rma them hoping for a free upgrade :o

+1

That was the Main reason, the Low life Scum destroyed a Decent Company, and made other think Twice and then Amend there Warranty Limitation.
 
I only ever owned one bfg card, an 8800 gts 640 oc, bought on release, still working in a rig of my nephews.
 
BFG US went bankrupt, BFG UK branch found a new manufacturer: Galaxy, and now selling under new name: KFA.

you can phone up KFA and ask them, they used to be with BFG, now the same people are working for Galaxy under Europe name of KFA.


although warranty length is not as good, but you can expect same excellent RMA and similar box art as BFG.

Exactly this, as the RMA department is still the same, and the PR guy who i work very closely with is the guy who made BFG big in the UK.

Andy
 
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