Have students actually got anything to complain about?

The only reason we're complaining is that if nick cleggs party fell to there word we would not be paying these 9k fees, due to half of them voteing for it.
another thing is the price went up to help pay the dept our country owes - was it us students who put the country in dept? nope.
 
Xyanzi said:
The only reason we're complaining is that if nick cleggs party fell to there word we would not be paying these 9k fees, due to half of them voteing for it.
another thing is the price went up to help pay the dept our country owes - was it us students who put the country in dept? nope.
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Well, actually, they contributed to the deficit by universities running at a loss... so.....
 
Xyanzi said:
sorry, was typing too fast. But yeah i mean why should we. It's not our problem :D
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Well I'm not a student, far from it, but I didnt put the country in debt either so if others dont have to pay due to that reason then neither should I , makes my life much easier not having to pay for anything , so I like it :D
 
Xyanzi said:
sorry, was typing too fast. But yeah i mean why should we. It's not our problem :D
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And you thinking you cant afford to go to Uni isn't my problem. On one hand you want me to pay for your Uni so that you can enjoy the benefits and on the other you pay for your own tuition and my tax money gets spent on public services which everyone gets to use.

Xyanzi said:
if this country was a communism state we would pay off debt with ease? or am i wrong?
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What are you studying?
 
Todge said:
And you thinking you cant afford to go to Uni isn't my problem. On one hand you want me to pay for your Uni so that you can enjoy the benefits and on the other you pay for your own tuition and my tax money gets spent on public services which everyone gets to use.
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Oh no i can afford to go to uni... why would the government or banks pay out more money which would take 10 years~ to get back?
 
I struggled as a student and these additional costs would likely have put me off further education. My first few jobs were on par with someone who had finished school with no extra qualifications and paying off loans wasn't easy. My current job is just above the national average and i'm still paying off the loans. It'll be even tougher for students now.

Where's the incentive? Why take the risk of accumulating a sizable debt when you could just get a job after school and start earning and working your way up from the start?
 
Xyanzi, serious point this.

If in life you ever earn any sort of money i want you to think back to this thread and your point of view. See if you still like the idea of communism and wealthy people paying national debts then.
 
Warbie said:
I struggled as a student and these additional costs would likely have put me off further education. My first few jobs were on par with someone who had finished school with no extra qualifications and paying off loans wasn't easy. My current job is just above the national average and i'm still paying off the loans. It'll be even tougher for students now.

Where's the incentive? Why take the risk of accumulating a sizable debt when you could just get a job after school and start earning and working your way up from the start?
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Mind you, the person wouldnt have to pay off the loan unless they earned £21k , so in your example of a job on a par with someone who just finished school with standard qualifications, the person actually wouldnt be struggling to pay off the loan as they wouldnt actually have to pay anything.
 
Warbie said:
I struggled as a student and these additional costs would likely have put me off further education. My first few jobs were on par with someone who had finished school with no extra qualifications and paying off loans wasn't easy. My current job is just above the national average and i'm still paying off the loans. It'll be even tougher for students now.

Where's the incentive? Why take the risk of accumulating a sizable debt when you could just get a job after school and start earning and working your way up from the start?
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Have you read the proposals?

There are no "additional costs" during the degree itself.
Low paid job = no repayments!
It won't be tougher for students now.

The incentive shouldn't be "as it's cheap innit bruv", it should be to better yourself and go to University - note these two are not related. You don't need a degree to study.

The sizeable debt is an irrelevence, when job hunting. As if you have a lowly paid job, no repayments. If you have a middle job (e.g., me) you'll pay back a little (less than I pay now). If you get a high paid job - congrats! You won't miss the money.
 
Warbie said:
Where's the incentive? Why take the risk of accumulating a sizable debt when you could just get a job after school and start earning and working your way up from the start?
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Because you can't walk into all jobs without a degree but your right there is no incentive for a lot of jobs anymore which is a good thing.
 
I think I'm going to riot because I have to tile my own bathroom, the state should pay for it!!! It may only benefit me, and perhaps have a very very minor effect on the house prices in the surrounding area, but I don't want to do it, and I can't afford to pay for someone else to come in and do it for me.

It's a disgrace I tell you, a disgrace!
 
Xyanzi said:
Oh no i can afford to go to uni... why would the government or banks pay out more money which would take 10 years~ to get back?
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I'm not sure I understand your question. Are you asking why the govt. would lend you 9k a year to do a degree when it takes so long to get back? simply because we do need graduates and if you get a decent job the amount you pay in tax will more than cover the loan plus you'll be paying it back. That's why having fewer people at Uni is a good idea as less money gets lost due to people never paying it back.

Tombstone said:
Hard to say for certain, Vietnam, Cuba and China all have considerable debt too. So it would certainly seem that on paper a communist state isnt devoid of debt either.
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And debt aside, none are exactly brilliant places to live.

Warbie said:
Where's the incentive? Why take the risk of accumulating a sizable debt when you could just get a job after school and start earning and working your way up from the start?
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The incentive for Uni should be that if you get a decent degree you'll earn decent money so the debt is well worth it. The fact that some people will weigh up the pros and cons and choose not to go is a GOOD thing for this country. Less graduates who think that they deserve 30k with no experience, less competition for good jobs for those that do graduate, more people learning trades like plumbing, gas, electrician etc (which we are lacking), and finally our GDP being more diverse by not relying on a few sectors to provide all the money and jobs.

It is entirely possible to do good in life with no degree. Trouble is no one at school will believe it because of all the hype about going to uni being the only way of not living like a pauper.
 
Dolph said:
I think I'm going to riot because I have to tile my own bathroom, the state should pay for it!!! It may only benefit me, and perhaps have a very very minor effect on the house prices in the surrounding area, but I don't want to do it, and I can't afford to pay for someone else to come in and do it for me.

It's a disgrace I tell you, a disgrace!
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How selfish, if you were any sort of human being you'd open that house up and let 11 students live there for free!
 
Nzyme said:
Because you can't walk into all jobs without a degree but your right there is no incentive for a lot of jobs anymore which is a good thing.
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The problem is you can't walk into many jobs with a degree and no experience either... Or you get turned down because your degree makes you overqualified, or the job you can get that requires your degree suffers from crap pay and promotion prospects because some people are stupid enough to accept them...

A degree is not a pancea of opportunity, certainly not when taken as a cross-section of all degrees from all institutions...
 
I went through 3 years of college/uni and had to work my arse off every weekend ( 11 hours for both days) and holidays (11 hour days also) to get through it so, IMHO, the current and future crop of students have now't to moan about.
 
I'm VERY happy they have increased student fees. Students have had it easy. They **** money away and use their student loan for the wrong reasons. That's the majority anyway.

The protests are pathetic.
 
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