Have students actually got anything to complain about?

sid said:
I agree with you but there will be those who will think many courses won't be worth it for the given cost which is shame.

When I went to uni, the attitude was to do something I enjoy, now I would need to analyse the cost v future benefit ratio. The arts and culture courses will be most affected I guess.

The students who did something because they enjoyed it will be put off the most.

Perhaps I'm rambling...
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I agree, the cultural effect will be tremendous but hey, the UK is being flooded with multicultural trends anyway, who cares.


MrLOL said:
Ok so a total of £36,000 debt for 3 years studies



So the Current rate for Course Fees are £3,290 a year. Thats a max possible increase of £5710 a year, a total of £17,310 increase over the 3 years.

But if they are in £36,000 debt, over 20 grand of that was there already !

What difference does it make how much longer you pay your student loans back for ?

You were in **** loads of debt before, nothings changed. Just the ammount.

And thats before we mention that not every university is going to be charging £9000 a year.

Oxford and Cambridge probably will, but the old former Polytechnics wont be able to attract nearly enough students from poorer backgrounds charging thos sorts of rates.

The figures being banded around by students are silly, because none of you even know how much your fees are going to be yet !
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I definitely think it's better to have £18,000 debt rather than £36,000. Can you see that the amount doubles?

Obviously some universities will charge anywhere from £6,000 to £9,000, we're talking about £9,000 saving at most. You have to take into account why tuition fees are rising, the government will simply cut their spending on education meaning that universities will have to somehow cover the differences. Either by lowering quality of the studies or rising tuition fees and that really sucks knowing that the former is being done currently.
 
Tombstone said:
Hard to say for certain, Vietnam, Cuba and China all have considerable debt too. So it would certainly seem that on paper a communist state isnt devoid of debt either.
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As my brother who is a chartered accountant taught me. There's nothing wrong with debt, it's how it's managed.

Our problem being UK's debt is unmanageable as it stands.
 
Deyvy said:
As my brother who is a chartered accountant taught me. There's nothing wrong with debt, it's how it's managed.

Our problem being UK's debt is unmanageable as it stands.
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Which is the perfect excuse to cut public services in a way that doesn't help to solve the problem of debt in any way what so ever! :)
 
atpbx said:
No they have not, the universty system is broken, it needs fixing, a lot of people doing pointless waste of time degrees are now going to have to get proper jobs instead.

Boo Hoo, life sucks, shut up, grow up and deal with it.
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Accept those are the people that will probably earn less than the threshold and wouldn't have to pay the loan back anyway

Megahurtz400 said:
Im all for the protesting now tbh, at first I was bandwagon-ing with the anti-protest types, but after realising that people my age were actually trying to get their voice heard, rather than lying down and being ****ed like everyone else does in this country.
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It's safe to my plans of attending uni are gone.
 
Mr Krugga said:
I agree, the cultural effect will be tremendous but hey, the UK is being flooded with multicultural trends anyway, who cares.




I definitely think it's better to have £18,000 debt rather than £36,000. Can you see that the amount doubles?

Obviously some universities will charge anywhere from £6,000 to £9,000, we're talking about £9,000 saving at most. You have to take into account why tuition fees are rising, the government will simply cut their spending on education meaning that universities will have to somehow cover the differences. Either by lowering quality of the studies or rising tuition fees and that really sucks knowing that the former is being done currently.
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but if its only an increase of £3000 a year, then all of a sudden its only an additional £9,000 of debt.

I went to uni, and i saw the way that student loans get spent on rubbish. They could easily save half of that £3000 a year by not squandering their student loans !

Its not the "denying of access to education" that its being made out to be. Its going to require students to get into a bit more debt, and to manage their money a bit better.

When everybody else is finding life is getting more expensive too, its only fair.
 
i dont get why the students assume its a free right to university .

its a choice, and as such why should tax payers have to fund it
 
Paul11 said:
i dont get why the students assume its a free right to university .

its a choice, and as such why should tax payers have to fund it
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It's more the fact the end person will now be paying a hell of a lot more... for the same thing.


I hope you were all this uppity about tax payers funding the war. Now that's money well spent.
 
steve-h said:
It's more the fact the end person will now be paying a hell of a lot more... for the same thing.


I hope you were all this uppity about tax payers funding the war. Now that's money well spent.
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take a scenario of two 18 year olds

first chooses to go to uni and another doesn't

why should the one that doesn't, pay for the one that does ?


ps. war is different and a whole other discussion
 
Paul11 said:
take a scenario of two 18 year olds

first chooses to go to uni and another doesn't

why should the one that doesn't, pay for the one that does ?


ps. war is different and a whole other discussion
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because the one that does go to uni will *probably* make up the difference when they get a higher paying job at the end of it... and for the rest of their working lives

well well well what about someone who goes to uni and gets a bad job at the end of it? they don't have to pay it back.
 
steve-h said:
because the one that does go to uni will *probably* make up the difference when they get a higher paying job at the end of it... and for the rest of their working lives

well well well what about someone who goes to uni and gets a bad job at the end of it? they don't have to pay it back.
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not having to pay it back , means it was paid for by the tax payer

and their degree was a waste of time because they didn't get a decent job at the end of it


if they get a good job and pay it back, then that was their choice to go.
 
Paul11 said:
take a scenario of two 18 year olds

first chooses to go to uni and another doesn't

why should the one that doesn't, pay for the one that does ?


ps. war is different and a whole other discussion
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Because the one that does will probably save his life someday or possibly employ him?

Are you really asking why higher education is needed in successful and progressing economies? Sure, you can always outsource from India if you must :rolleyes:

Paul11 said:
not having to pay it back , means it was paid for by the tax payer

and their degree was a waste of time because they didn't get a decent job at the end of it


if they get a good job and pay it back, then that was their choice to go.
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Exactly, the proposal assumes that these guys who will go to uni and after graduation they won't find a decent job, they won't have to pay anything back. Here comes the justice.


Is GD really that limited? :(
 
Mr Krugga said:
Because the one that does will probably save his life someday or possibly employ him?

Are you really asking why higher education is needed in successful and progressing economies? Sure, you can always outsource from India if you must :rolleyes:
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no, im not asking why higher education is needed. i never said that

what i asked was, why students think its their right to have university paid for them.

of course we need higher education, but that costs money and people need to choose to go and pay for it, or not
 
but if its a right to go to uni for free, paid for by the state, then most people will go

if everyone has a degree , then its not so valuable anymore and doesn't guarantee a good job at the end of it anyway
 
Why is the question on everyones mind it seems...
Were forgetting the big picture...
We are citizens of the UK. Making up the mistakes of our governments asif slaves.
 
i think the issue is that the government went back on its promise

that i can understand is why people are angry as they wouldn't have voted them in in the first place

but education costs money and it has to come from somewhere

i just dont get why people want free education after they leave school (as a right) if its their choice to do it, someone has to pay for it
 
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