Career Decisions (IT Professionals please read!)

Blackhawk47 said:
Fox can't read?
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Dude, you just need a bit of life experience to know that this is a hugely senior role for someone with around 30 years of industry experience, if I were to guess. This is a Project Leader type role - a Project and Programme manager rolled into one. This is not what you are currently doing.

Your role will involve the monitoring of design and specialist consultants and contractors , providing project management advice in respect of all construction activities, including testing and commissioning and site supervision.
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The above is a big task - do you think with a couple years of experience you'd be able to handle consultants and contractors as asked above?

Project Management is also a job in itself, it's not something that comes easily and the only way to learn to Project manage is to actually project manage.
 
[TW]Fox;18006820 said:
You'll never get a job doing that if you dont have the experience *and* can't read the job spec :D
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I know what those are and how they work...it doesn't ask for x number of years doing so and so job title.

I tell you what. Why don't those who have done/want to do degrees go and actually concentrate on that and let others who aren't interested in going to Uni actually work for a living rather than rioting all day outside parliament.
 
Vanilla said:
Dude, you just need a bit of life experience to know that this is a hugely senior role for someone with around 30 years of industry experience, if I were to guess. This is a Project Leader type role - a Project and Programme manager rolled into one. This is not what you are currently doing.



The above is a big task - do you think with a couple years of experience you'd be able to handle consultants and contractors as asked above?

Project Management is also a job in itself, it's not something that comes easily and the only way to learn to Project manage is to actually project manage.
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And yet someone like morba says that's such a low wage. I made reference to that job advert to show what I could be doing in 6 years time not right this second.
 
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Blackhawk,

Technical experience isnt eveything, just knowing what something is doesn't mean your 'experienced' as such :)

Also you've well missed the point about what 'contracting' is in the IT industry this comes with experience which you will gain over time.

I didn't go straight to uni from School I got a job, however once you get to a certain level uni was pretty much required for me to progress. I'm not saying it's required for everyone but it helped me a lot.:)
 
Blackhawk47 said:
And yet someone like morba says that's such a low wage. I made reference to that job advert to show what I could be doing in 6 years time not right this second.
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You are not going to be doing that in 6 years time. If you actually beleive thats where you are headed you need to sit down and have a serious think about whether you are going in the right direction or you are going to be hugely dissapointed in the future.

That is a job that will be awarded to a 40+ year old guy with decades of railway experience not you.
 
Blackhawk47 said:
And yet someone like morba says that's such a low wage. I made reference to that job advert to show what I could be doing in 6 years time not right this second.
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I think it's a good wage. It's 72k a year for an industry that isn't finance or IT and is oop narth. This shows the level of expertise they want to buy.

It's a position for a warts-and-all veteran who has seen it all, knows all the tricks, will ensure good work, whip the boys into shape and can command the respect of the teams.

Once that's done he'd probably have regular meetings with some Director to update him on all the projects, will hold all responsibility for the success or failure of projects (below director level).
 
Ev0 said:
Disagree personally, £300 isn't to be sniffed at, might not be high compared to some of the contracting gods on here but it's still a decent wage.

And the difficulty in finding a decent paid perm role could make this a very attractive proposition.

You'd need to be on about £70k a year in a perm role to get that much.

Also the ad highlights the whole point we've been trying to make about the temp/contractor divide
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I never said it was bad. I said you might want to look at a well renumerated perm role, of which you would not need to be earning £70k to match it. Renumerated means all that comes with the job, the stuff you have to pay for yourself when it comes to contracting :)
 
True, would still need a pretty hefty salary though to get near it :) Plus you've got all the tax thingies with contracting that saves you a few bob.
 
Blackhawk47 said:
You did say that...
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So you say I said one thing, then quote me saying something else. Well done.

A £45k job, with car, health care for family, bonus and 4 weeks holiday would mean a renumation of around £55-£60k (ish), then add on overtime and training (which you won't get paid for you as a contractor) and of course job security and you are not far off of £300 a day.
Remember that the advertised £300 a day is for people that meet all requirements as a contractor, if you are not what they want exactly then they will knock you down in rate.

I also said (as you quoted) that you might be better looking for a perm job over it. Of course if there is no perm job then the contract would be snapped up straight away.
 
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I'm fed up of this ****ing discussion now. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to work out that to be successful you dont need to have a degree. And I'd rather be doing a interesting contract job than a perm job doing helpdesk which IMHO I wouldn't enjoy.
 
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