do console games ever look better than pc to you?
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Heavy rain and Demon souls?? Plus the poll is only what made the top 10 this year. FF13 just missed out, again another game that has no rival on PC.
As said before, resolution, Framerate and Texture res dont make a game. I find far more games on console that interest me and the games are generally a lot more inventive and impressive, With regards to artistic direction(again) They make the hardware they have work, WIth all the head room PCs have, the games are generally generic but pretty! With exceptions.
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You'd almost think the games in the PC list for the year were good.
Ok you may be joking but in case you aren't, let's compare the GOTY options in pc and console sections. The top 4 games in the console section were also available on the pc (plus fallout nv). That leaves bayonetta (which has received the fewest votes) and 3 decent ps3 exclusives. The pc had 3 exclusives of equal quality in wow cataclysm, starcraft 2 and civ 5.
I'm not saying pc is better but it's just ignorant to say it hasn't had good exclusives this year.
Being a ps3 owner there are some games that match up to pc in terms of graphics.
FFXIII, uncharted 2, god of war 3, GT5 in places, Fight night round 4 of the games i own i would say these look the best.
However i use my monitor for my console and sit quite close so i can really see the impfections and limits of a console more so then if i was sat far away.
In terms of graphics you cant beat a pc, sometimes i dont notice how good pc graphics are unless i am watching something else playing my pc from afar.
I dont see what cost has anything to do with this discussion when compairing graphics, a decent spec pc will look better then any console. Heck i have a old pc with a 8800gts and a 3ghz dual core and it still blows consoles away, that pc must be 4-5 years old now. And if your are bringing cost into it consoles can be just as pricey as pcs when u consider all the accessorise that go with a console and the extra cost of games.
FFXIII, uncharted 2, god of war 3, GT5 in places, Fight night round 4 of the games i own i would say these look the best.
However i use my monitor for my console and sit quite close so i can really see the impfections and limits of a console more so then if i was sat far away.
In terms of graphics you cant beat a pc, sometimes i dont notice how good pc graphics are unless i am watching something else playing my pc from afar.
I dont see what cost has anything to do with this discussion when compairing graphics, a decent spec pc will look better then any console. Heck i have a old pc with a 8800gts and a 3ghz dual core and it still blows consoles away, that pc must be 4-5 years old now. And if your are bringing cost into it consoles can be just as pricey as pcs when u consider all the accessorise that go with a console and the extra cost of games.
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You can spend £200 on a second hand rig and have something that outperforms a 360 though.
Hell, you could probably have something that outperforms a PS3 at that price. I just sold a PC with a Q6600 and 8800GT for £250. It can still show the PS3 a clean pair of heels on new games.
If you want something that's top of the range new tech, then yes, you will pay for it. No doubt you'll pay a similar price when the next console generation first hits the shelves.
It's all relative.
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Its silly saying you can spend £200 and get something that can "outperform a 360"
hardware for hardware? yep.
But can a £200 rig play any PC game? Because a 360 can play any 360 game.
hardware for hardware? yep.
But can a £200 rig play any PC game? Because a 360 can play any 360 game.
ORLY?
Its a lifestyle choice at the end of the day. I can sit in my livingroom, wife and kids, dolby5.1 on the sofa, playing games, chatting drinking a beer and being sociable. Or I can be a 43 geek, locked away in my spare room, headphones on, nose 4" from the monitor pretending the world doesn't exist, immersed in my fantasy universe and failing to interact with anyone else (and yes 5 years of EQ on a PC will do that to you).
I have done 10 years of MMOs on PCs, I have done 4 years running a very successful Counterstrike Server, on PCs and the only time I was ever worried about graphics was when my FPS started to drop. On CS it wasnt too much of an issue, as we capped the server framerate at 60FPS and anisotropic filtering and AA make sweet ***kall difference to how well you kill someone.
On EQ when they brought in the Bazaar everyones FPS dropped to about 1FPS. For many PC games, framerate not graphics quality is king.
If graphics are allegedly so important, why is the most successful PC based MMO ever still running on a graphics engine that is over 7 years old and was based upon an engine that is 10 years old ? Do you think that its 12 million subscribers really care that much about its graphics ?
Most successful video game franchise ever - Mario, never seen him in High Def.
Highest selling console to date - Wii selling 76 million units world wide, that thing isnt even High Def - shows how much graphics quality influences gamers. That number is paltry compared to DS sales 135million world wide and that thing has a 3" screen.
Most successful video game launch ever - Modern Warfare 2, PC sales contribution (at launch) estimated 3% it only ranked 5th in the UK PC games charts.
Which I think goes to show, PC gaming, is having relatively small influence on the overall gaming market these days. Game developers develop for consoles primarily, then port their code over to PC versions, except for the relatively niche MMO market. And yes even with 12 million subscribers, WoW is considered niche when you think that MW2 had 4.5 million players on its first day, 8 million in the first 5 days peaking to 25+ million in its first month.
Currently I am an XBox gamer, and I love my console and the way that it delivers gaming in a very easy way. If you asked me my favourite games of all time, I'd probably say BF2 (PC), Counterstrike 1.4 (PC), Everquest (PC), Baldurs Gate (PC) and best ever, Elite (BBC Model B / C64) not one console game in there. Why ?
PC gaming is an investment, in time and hardware. PC gamers tend to have a favourite game that they tweek and optimise their rigs for, then they play that game to death. PC gamers tend to have a relationship with their hardware that is personal - comfy keyboard, mouse that has the right DPi, headphones to get the optimal sound, monitor setup, desk or workstation that is laid out just so. It is all personal to you, playing on another PC gamers setup feels wierd and wrong.
Whereas console gaming is disposable and generic. Everyone pretty much uses the same controller, has the same console and games are ten a penny. Everyone plays the latest FPS until the next latest and greatest comes along and then your copy of COD16 or MW5 is consigned to a trade-in at CEX or Game for a newer shinier version of whatever.
PC gamers often go back to the same games servers (something we cannot do on consoles), they build communities and they have choice. Yes console gamers can play with their friends, but communities are transient and we have no real 'place' that we can adopt as our own.
So to answer the OPs question - I don't care, and I think if many other gamers are honest nor do they.
PC gaming is not about having better graphics, it is as I said at the beginning, a lifestyle choice. PC gamers are the petrol-heads of the gaming world, they are more obsesive by nature. Whereas the best a console gamer will ever be is an Audi driver - stylish and efficient, but you will change it every 4 years !!
I have done 10 years of MMOs on PCs, I have done 4 years running a very successful Counterstrike Server, on PCs and the only time I was ever worried about graphics was when my FPS started to drop. On CS it wasnt too much of an issue, as we capped the server framerate at 60FPS and anisotropic filtering and AA make sweet ***kall difference to how well you kill someone.
On EQ when they brought in the Bazaar everyones FPS dropped to about 1FPS. For many PC games, framerate not graphics quality is king.
If graphics are allegedly so important, why is the most successful PC based MMO ever still running on a graphics engine that is over 7 years old and was based upon an engine that is 10 years old ? Do you think that its 12 million subscribers really care that much about its graphics ?
Most successful video game franchise ever - Mario, never seen him in High Def.
Highest selling console to date - Wii selling 76 million units world wide, that thing isnt even High Def - shows how much graphics quality influences gamers. That number is paltry compared to DS sales 135million world wide and that thing has a 3" screen.
Most successful video game launch ever - Modern Warfare 2, PC sales contribution (at launch) estimated 3% it only ranked 5th in the UK PC games charts.
Which I think goes to show, PC gaming, is having relatively small influence on the overall gaming market these days. Game developers develop for consoles primarily, then port their code over to PC versions, except for the relatively niche MMO market. And yes even with 12 million subscribers, WoW is considered niche when you think that MW2 had 4.5 million players on its first day, 8 million in the first 5 days peaking to 25+ million in its first month.
Currently I am an XBox gamer, and I love my console and the way that it delivers gaming in a very easy way. If you asked me my favourite games of all time, I'd probably say BF2 (PC), Counterstrike 1.4 (PC), Everquest (PC), Baldurs Gate (PC) and best ever, Elite (BBC Model B / C64) not one console game in there. Why ?
PC gaming is an investment, in time and hardware. PC gamers tend to have a favourite game that they tweek and optimise their rigs for, then they play that game to death. PC gamers tend to have a relationship with their hardware that is personal - comfy keyboard, mouse that has the right DPi, headphones to get the optimal sound, monitor setup, desk or workstation that is laid out just so. It is all personal to you, playing on another PC gamers setup feels wierd and wrong.
Whereas console gaming is disposable and generic. Everyone pretty much uses the same controller, has the same console and games are ten a penny. Everyone plays the latest FPS until the next latest and greatest comes along and then your copy of COD16 or MW5 is consigned to a trade-in at CEX or Game for a newer shinier version of whatever.
PC gamers often go back to the same games servers (something we cannot do on consoles), they build communities and they have choice. Yes console gamers can play with their friends, but communities are transient and we have no real 'place' that we can adopt as our own.
So to answer the OPs question - I don't care, and I think if many other gamers are honest nor do they.
PC gaming is not about having better graphics, it is as I said at the beginning, a lifestyle choice. PC gamers are the petrol-heads of the gaming world, they are more obsesive by nature. Whereas the best a console gamer will ever be is an Audi driver - stylish and efficient, but you will change it every 4 years !!
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Very well put post mate.