After looking at the benchies a couple of FPS here or there is hardly reason to dismiss the 6850 and all the advantages it has to offer.
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After looking at the benchies a couple of FPS here or there is hardly reason to dismiss the 6850 and all the advantages it has to offer.
Please find me the posts where he's mentioned what board his mate was running, and what cpu, to make use of crossfire etc. The 5850, is cheap, fast, efficient (for an older design), and the one we recommended runs quieter and cooler. What's the issue here? You convieniently miss out things like that.
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I suspect that the HD6850 and HD6870 are going to have some more price drops in the next few months.
The GTX560 and HD6950 will probably compete with each other directly IMHO at around the £180 to £220 price point. The HD6870 will probably be in the £150 to £180 price point and will compete with the lower end GTX560 cards and the GTX460 1GB. OTH,a GTX550 maybe released and this would be an overclocked GTX460 1GB. The HD6850 1GB will be between £100 to £150 and compete with the value edition versions of the GTX550 and the replacement for the GTX450. The GTS450 replacement will be an overclocked GTS450 will all its shaders enabled. This should place it at the level of an HD5770 1GB or slightly better.
The GTX560 and HD6950 will probably compete with each other directly IMHO at around the £180 to £220 price point. The HD6870 will probably be in the £150 to £180 price point and will compete with the lower end GTX560 cards and the GTX460 1GB. OTH,a GTX550 maybe released and this would be an overclocked GTX460 1GB. The HD6850 1GB will be between £100 to £150 and compete with the value edition versions of the GTX550 and the replacement for the GTX450. The GTS450 replacement will be an overclocked GTS450 will all its shaders enabled. This should place it at the level of an HD5770 1GB or slightly better.
No I don't. People clearly miss out all things the 6850 has to offer. They think short term and they think Raw speed. Hardware purchasing is more than that.
The mere fact the so called "raw speed" is so small my argument stands firm.
His friend was after the best card he could get 'now', and still thinking about the future. For longevity, the 5850 will last slightly longer in performance terms, as post #202 states. (because when you start having to reduce quality for frame rate, the first things to go will be things like tessellation/DOF etc, and that's why in the future tessellation for this guy won't matter with this card.)
We are recommending a card based on what we know now. You are basing a recommendation on guess work of increased performance via driver updates. You may be right, but right NOW the performance he get's is better than a 6850 and for less money. Just because the card is EOL does not mean that driver support stops, and that increases in performance will stop for it. Perhaps you forget that bit?
I would recommend the 6850 if it wasn't for the MSI deal on the 5850.
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AFAIK,the HD6850 1GB is meant to be around 6% slower on average than an HD5850 1GB. However,in the Ungine Heaven DX11 benchmark the HD6850 1GB is around 10% faster than the HD5850 1GB.
However,even when overclocked to around 940MHZ to 960MHZ an HD6850 1GB is consuming the same power at load as an HD5850 1GB at stock clockspeeds:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4002/amd-radeon-hd-6850-overclocking-roundup-asus-xfx-msi/8
It seems you can gain between a 10% to 20% improvement in framerates by overclocking an HD6850 1GB.
For a graphics card launched at the £130 to £150 price-point the HD6850 1GB is very good value for money and fits the market it was designed for well.
However,you are always going to have EOL cards muddling things a bit. When the HD5770 1GB was launched their were cheaper and slightly faster HD4870 cards available at around £90 to £120. When the HD5830 1GB was launched there were cheaper HD4890 1GB cards and the latter tended to be faster too.
OTH,in newer games the HD5000 series cards do better than their HD4000 series predecessors IIRC.
However,even when overclocked to around 940MHZ to 960MHZ an HD6850 1GB is consuming the same power at load as an HD5850 1GB at stock clockspeeds:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4002/amd-radeon-hd-6850-overclocking-roundup-asus-xfx-msi/8
It seems you can gain between a 10% to 20% improvement in framerates by overclocking an HD6850 1GB.
For a graphics card launched at the £130 to £150 price-point the HD6850 1GB is very good value for money and fits the market it was designed for well.
However,you are always going to have EOL cards muddling things a bit. When the HD5770 1GB was launched their were cheaper and slightly faster HD4870 cards available at around £90 to £120. When the HD5830 1GB was launched there were cheaper HD4890 1GB cards and the latter tended to be faster too.
OTH,in newer games the HD5000 series cards do better than their HD4000 series predecessors IIRC.
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Easyrider, why do you think people should listen to you?. Do you see yourself as more knowledgeable than 95% of people here?. If not, then why act like it?. As soon as someone disagrees with you then out comes the spiteful remarks so it sure does look like it.
It's actually becoming a problem on these boards concerning the 6850 with you. Funnily enough this was AFTER you have bought one.
Look at how you were speaking to Helios123, as well as other users on the forum?. Just who do you think you are?. If you speak to people like they are beneath you then you should expect something back as nobody tolerates that kind of behaviour. Scougar is one of the most respectable guys on here for his attitude and he's losing patience with you because of the manner you carry.
5850 is the better performing card.
5850 is cheaper than the 6850.
6850 holds more grip in the heaven benchmark than the 5850 and is better for crossfire.
The 6850 is more efficient minimally.
If I was buying one card, it would be the 5850, it's so much cheaper. By the time I want to upgrade from the more powerful 5850, I would just skip to the 570s or 6950s in SLI/Crossfire. Or wait till the next new more powerful card came along.
You've really ticked me off reading through this thread Easyrider with your attitude towards others. You've done this too many times now over years of reading here. I'd love to see you use your ability to debate without insulting or throwing out spiteful remarks to those who dare to disagree with you.
If the mods at OCUK think you're attitude is acceptable then I can see many people will just start adding you to their ignore list if this continues. Please keep it civil at least?.
It's actually becoming a problem on these boards concerning the 6850 with you. Funnily enough this was AFTER you have bought one.
Look at how you were speaking to Helios123, as well as other users on the forum?. Just who do you think you are?. If you speak to people like they are beneath you then you should expect something back as nobody tolerates that kind of behaviour. Scougar is one of the most respectable guys on here for his attitude and he's losing patience with you because of the manner you carry.
5850 is the better performing card.
5850 is cheaper than the 6850.
6850 holds more grip in the heaven benchmark than the 5850 and is better for crossfire.
The 6850 is more efficient minimally.
If I was buying one card, it would be the 5850, it's so much cheaper. By the time I want to upgrade from the more powerful 5850, I would just skip to the 570s or 6950s in SLI/Crossfire. Or wait till the next new more powerful card came along.
You've really ticked me off reading through this thread Easyrider with your attitude towards others. You've done this too many times now over years of reading here. I'd love to see you use your ability to debate without insulting or throwing out spiteful remarks to those who dare to disagree with you.
If the mods at OCUK think you're attitude is acceptable then I can see many people will just start adding you to their ignore list if this continues. Please keep it civil at least?.
I don't see myself as more knowledgeable than anyone. I'm just highlighting the facts that sometimes get pushed under the carpet.
I never bought or have owned a 6850. So I would get ones facts right before spouting defamatory comments.
I see no problem in the way I have conducted this debate.
No-one is disputing this
I have purely defended my argument. With no malice or intent. I bet you have skipped read this thread TBH or you wouldn't be making these accusations.
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Don't think you can really compare 4870 vs 5770 to 5850 vs 6850 though. Going 5770 has the benefit of of the chip being 40nm process instead of 55nm, and it actully moved from dx10 to dx11. 5850 vs 6850 on the other hand the 6850 is still on 40nm process and same generation dx, so the benefit of 5770 over 4870 would not necessarily stands true for 6850 vs 5850.
Thats fine by me. You feel fit to post derisory offers for new hardware go ahead. Then spam my threads with nonsense.
188 people disagree with you already on how I deal in MM. Check my trust. Constant communication on every stage of the deals are something I pride myself on along with my polite manner.
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Indeed.
I'm not saying the 5850 MSI deal is bad.Its far from it. But down the line I woud rather have a 6850 in my machine with the option to CF later. The gains are not that huge to dismiss going for a 6850 in this instance.
Don't make me post my own failures to prove you wrong
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EDIT: Just to reiterate in case anyone missed it.. I would probably recommend the 6850 if it wasn't for the MSI 5850 deal.
Hahaha well I've been selectively viewing your posts so I never see the bad side of you like a grandmother that cares for the trouble making grandson and would defend him whilst calling him angelic. Creepy but to the point
.I agree, if the prices were neck and neck I'd suggest the 6850 also. At this price differential, it's an easy choice for a single card.
Please read some of the replies you have made to people that disagree with you. Some of what you have said has been removed from threads recently also. On top of that, it's the comments in this thread alone that set me off regarding you and it was your replies that annoyed me in how you were speaking to people.
6870 then I apologise. I should have changed my point to anything 6000 series with AMD.
Well you've not only angered me by what you've wrote. Also you never even replied or responded to me. It was your attitude to others that bothered me as it's not acceptable forum behaviour to act like that and you know it well.
No-one is disputing this
I was highlighting in a very short way of the benefits of using a 5850 as a single card over the 6850. I know your reading comprehension isn't that bad Easy, come on.
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I read most of the second half of it and it was only you that stuck out. Look at how you spoke to Helios123 and that's only one example.
If you think you're debating reasonably without being personal or spiteful, then there is no point in discussing this. I like you Easy but when you go off on these missions I don't have the time for you. All I can be is honest with you.
I wish you a merry Christmas Easyrider. Tis the season to be jolly?.
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I think some common ground needs to be found here, I kind agree and disagree with Easyrider as I can see the argument from both sides. However as has already been said its basically a fairly staight forward decision...
If you have no plans to cross fire then the 5850 wins.
If you have no plans to cross fire then the 5850 wins.
Just ordered a 6850 as my Crimbo present. I chose it because its smaller and there ain't much room in my P182 and it only needs one power connector. The difference is so minimal and I'd hate to be faffing about Christmas Day trying to squeeze in the 5850 I thought I'd go with the slightly newer card.
Excelllent choice
FWIW If my case had tonnes of room I would have grabbed the 5850
. But I'm such an infrequent PC gamer that the 10% or so power difference means fa compared to the hassle of trying to squeeze a card in next to two hdd's and having to fit twice as many power cables in as there are now. I'm jumping from an 3870XT, will I be able to play Crysis yet?
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FWIW If my case had tonnes of room I would have grabbed the 5850
I played Crysis on an HD3870 so an HD6850 should be fine IMHO.
OTH, I cannot vouch for Crysis 2 though!!
5850 CF is power hungry and needs 4 x PCI-E connectors.
Its not a good idea considering the 6850 is faster and more efficient.
The difference in power consumption between 5850CF and 6850CF is staggering considering the 6850 is faster.
Well the power difference might be staggering if HD5850CF was included in that graph.
All I can see is HD5870CF power consumption. Given a single HD5870 uses quite a bit more power than a single HD5850 (going by that graph) I would hasten to guess that HD5850CF would be noticablly lower than HD5870CF.
TBH though even if CF was on the cards the extra power consumption wouldn't be enough to balance off against the additional £20 purchase price.