Ignorant iPhone users

Another angsty android inferiority complex thread.

Apple advertise a million time better than any other tech company. Hype sells.

Why are android users so insecure about android despite the awesomeness and value of their operating system?

Let people be ignorant and uninformed unless they ask for enlightenment. How does it help them when you rain on their parade after they have got an iPhone? The "I'm better at choosing my products than you" look is not attractive.


Edit- yours ex-android current iPhone user
 
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Well done.. you pretty much sum up all that is ignorant and uneducated about the average iPhone user in one sentance. Congrats and merry Christmas :D
Why is it ignorant and uneducated? One of the most (if not the, above basic functionality) important aspects of a smart phone is the UI. iOS (and Windows Mobile 7 for that matter) have it licked, Android doesn't.

A good smartphone hides the internals. others licked it, Android has not
 
All I can say is this- The suits who sit in the boardrooms for their respective companies, who are paid to try and make people behave in the exact way that many people are in this thread right now, should give themselves a pat on the back.

RBG
 
Helping my uncle migrate his Contacts from his Nokia last night to his new i4

Craziness, 400 contacts had to be marked one by one then sent to sim card then the simcard put back into the iPhone then imported, the Nokia doesn't take micro sims either so I had to wedge it into it until it was detected LOL. All because there's no way to accept contacts over bluetooth because bluetooth is only for a headset.

Oh, this had to be done twice because the sim only holds 200 contacts at a time.

It's **** like this Steve Jobs, **** like this....

Assuming it's anything more recent than a 3310 you could have just plugged it into a PC, backed them up and synced the iPhone. 5 minutes tops.


Or you could have just use iShareFiles, a free app that allows you to send contacts over bluetooth.


Also, next time they show signs of fail just tell them to load apple.com and you do the same on your phone. Let them speak after their phones are still loading it :p

Just under 4 seconds? Seems ok for a phone...
 
Does anyone have a hard time explaining to people what Android is?

I have plenty of friends of have iPhones who all pay extortionate amounts and they refuse to believe that Android is as good as iOS!

Generally I get a lot of "ohh whats that?" - When I explain that it's an Android handset their faces go blank as if to say "android what?"

Silly people :D

I fail to see why you'd bother explaining to someone what OS your phone uses, I mean seriously, if people can't be bothered to investigate all the choices themselves and just stick to what has been the most well marketed then it's their loss. I'd save your time and energy and just be content in knowing that you made a choice based on what was 'best for you' and not care what others do or think, after all it doesn't really make sod all difference. :)
 
Or you could have just use iShareFiles, a free app that allows you to send contacts over bluetooth.
Hi, does isharefiles support recieving contacts from nokia phones? I've just installed it and it only seems to support iPhone to iPhone transfers, while I'm trying to transfer my contacts from my n82 to an iphone
 
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Hi, does isharefiles support recieving contacts from nokia phones? I've just installed it and it only seems to support iPhone to iPhone transfers, while I'm trying to transfer my contacts from my n82 to an iphone

Oops, meant iBlueTooth, got my apps mixed up :p
 
Most non techy people I now (eg work colleagues) say iPhone when what they mean is Smartphone.
One of the girls I work with couldn't believe my Samsung Galaxy S could do basically anything her iPhone could do. Oh and have a better screen and text input method :D She thought the only way of even using the internet properly was with an iPhone.
 
Having sold both iPhones and Android phones for almost a year now, I think I'm in a place where I can make a well informed comment about the buying habits of people who buy these phones:

iPhone buyers:

Generally, most people come into the shop and ask what the prices on an iPhone are even if they're looking for something completely different, almost in the hope that our prices will be different (/cheaper) than anywhere else (which of course, they're not [apart from 3 who seem to be using witchcraft to sustain their pricing strategy :p]).

Most people want an iPhone because (as has been said many times in this thread) it's shiny, trendy, expensive and all their friends have one so they must also get one. These people know nothing about ROMs, apps, different OS's and most didn't even know that they COULD copy and paste on a phone for years before apple made a big thing about it.

However, they also are a bit more open minded to other options when it comes to alternatives like android (mainly after being told the price for an iphone), but I'll explain more about that when I go into android buyers.

You also get a few people who want an iphone and will get an iphone no matter the cost, the alternatives available or even if it means they have to give up the use of their left leg. These people tend to be more techy and well informed but some are just trendy and NEED the latest gadget in their lives.
This mentality is very similar to the "teenage girl wants a blackberry" mentality.

As I work in a phone shop in Bath, we get quite a lot of wealthy customers come in. I recently had one gentlemen who bough two iphone 4's for his two daughters (aged 12 and 14), both on the £45 24 month contract plus £29 for each phone upfront. Just because his daughters wanted them. They didn't know why they wanted them, but none the less they wouldn't consider anything else. You just think........ why?!


Android buyers:

A lot of people that buy android phones in our store, are people who originally came in looking to get an iphone. They want something with a touch screen and gadgety and cool but collapse when they see the price of an iphone and so want to get as close to one as possible without paying the price.

After us explaining to them that, actually, for what they want the phone to do, they could have a wildfire or defy for example which is half the price and does almost exactly the same thing, they come to their senses and go in the android direction.

There is however a small caveat to these sorts of buyers. No matter how much we explain how to use the phone, set up a google mail account and go and download apps, they will never, ever make any decent use of the phone and just use the basic features it came with.

This problem arises, a lot of the time, from these people being told by their techy friends to get the htc desire hd or samsung galaxy s because it's amazing and you can do lots with it, when in fact, a nokia c5 would suffice or at most, a wildfire.

We see so many people come in with android phones that have never had apps downloaded onto them and have never backed up their contacts. Either that, or they have created a googlemail account and downloaded apps, but, despite us warning them to remember the details, when the phone goes wrong and they come complaining to us about it, they suddenly forget them and we have to explain that their contacts will be lost as they're backed up to google and there's no way to get them back if they don't know their details.

I suppose non-techy people get a little bit confused with android as it takes a tiny bit of work to get the best out of it (i.e. set up a mail account and download the apps etc), where as with an iphone, there's no thinking involved at all as you're pretty much told what's best for you and you follow apples rules.

The best kind of people that come into my store are the well informed, relaxed techy types who have done their research and know exactly which phone they want, and 8/10 times they want an android phone such as a desire. They, will happily chat away with you for a while about different apps, the advantages and disadvantages of different handsets and their features and generally will be upgrading from an android phone such as a G1 or a hero anyway.


Conclusion

There are two sides to every story, and in my experience, I've sold more android phones to idiots than I have iPhones, but that's probably because they're cheaper and so they're available to a bigger market.

I myself use a jailbroken iphone 3GS 16gb and I've customised it to the hilt with various things so I guess I kinda get the best of both worlds.

I love android though, especially on the samsung galaxy s (touchwiz is fantastic as is swype, and yes I know you can get swype on other handsets) as it's so versatile and most of the apps are free.

I can pretty conclusively say that after showing people an android phone next to an iphone and explaining the price difference and the advantages/disadvantages, most people will end up going android. I just wish that more of them would put the effort in and get the best out of their phones.




Anyway these are just my observations, so you may disagree and have had different experiences with people yourself, but this is just what I've found.

Anywho,

MERRY CHRISTMAS! :)

That's spot on.

People also buy iPhones because's it's tried and trusted. You can't go wrong with it without doing research beforehand. Not everyone goes online and checks reviews high and low :)
 
I don't think It's limited to iPhone users, in fact a lot of the iPhone users I know treat my android phones as if they were the same, we're always suggesting apps to each other as if it was the same OS as there are so many similar/same apps on the market/store.
 

That's spot on.

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It's amazing how wrapped up some people can get in their own little tech bubbles sometimes; so much so they forget that there are multiple reasons why people buy phones. The product fulfils a function at the end of the day, and whether that's to portray an image to others, or to meet a technical requirement, may not seem of equal validity in some minds. However, what does it really matter? - it's not your money being spent..

I've spent over a decade sodding about with technology; modding this, fixing that, trying to make something better or faster. I've reached a stage now where I just don't care any more. I want things to just work, so I can get on with what actually matters in life. And that's exactly what an iPhone does. Android just doesn't, it really doesn't. Not in a big way, but in a way that is significant enough to ensure those of us who don't want to faff about with settings in order to get the phone running how we want take a bit of a hit in terms of user experience. To technically minded people like me, it's a frustration, but to average people who are simply expecting the iOS experience from Android, they end up just not using the phone properly, and as slinky pointed out, they quickly come unstuck. This is coming from a HTC Desire owner. Both OSs have their limitations, but if it weren't for the inhibitive price, I would switch in a heartbeat.
 
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It's amazing how wrapped up some people can get in their own little tech bubbles sometimes; so much so they forget that there are multiple reasons why people buy phones. The product fulfils a function at the end of the day, and whether that's to portray an image to others, or to meet a technical requirement, may not seem of equal validity in some minds. However, what does it really matter? - it's not your money being spent..

I've spent over a decade sodding about with technology; modding this, fixing that, trying to make something better or faster. I've reached a stage now where I just don't care any more. I want things to just work, so I can get on with what actually matters in life. And that's exactly what an iPhone does. Android just doesn't, it really doesn't. Not in a big way, but in a way that is significant enough to ensure those of us who don't want to faff about with settings in order to get the phone running how we want take a bit of a hit in terms of user experience. To technically minded people like me, it's a frustration, but to average people who are simply expecting the iOS experience from Android, they end up just not using the phone properly, and as slinky pointed out, they quickly come unstuck. This is coming from a HTC Desire owner. Both OSs have their limitations, but if it weren't for the inhibitive price, I would switch in a heartbeat.

Bit in bold is your opinion, it's not fact like you're stating.

Running a stock HTC ROM on my HTC Desire (I have root, but I only use root for Titanium and Nandroid backups), and it does more out of the box than my iPhone ever did. Without any messing about.

What I like about my unmodified Desire, that can't be done on a unmodified iPhone (seeing as we're talking about a no faffing about, out of the box setup):
  • Widgets - Looking at my day's agenda in a scrollable widget is a God send. In the work enviroment, it's easy to see what meetings I have if people are enquiring about my availability.
  • WiFi Hotspot - great again for work if I'm at a clients head office and I can't use their WiFi, which happens to be a lot as they won't allow non-colleagues to use their network. Also useful as my parents got rid of the internet after I left the nest.
  • Flash - There's load of blogs that post video clips that I read, that are all in flash. Also the YouTube application on Android and iPhone does not contain all of YouTubes content. In this case, I can go to the YouTube site and watch the video.
  • Free cloud sycing, no need to pay for MobileMe
  • Proper social API integration, I can choose if I want to sync all my friends Facebook data and how often to sync it. The iPhone only pulls in certain data. It won't for example pull in info about a contacts Facebook albums, so I can click on them and load the photo's into the phones gallery application.
  • Google Maps - Vector based rendering, 3D maps etc are already on Android, won't be on the iPhone yet.

There's more, but the points above are all done out of the box with the HTC Desire, which of course, runs Android.

There's no hidden settings, root requirements, hacks or anything to get the above working.

Android is certainly no where near perfect, I have my frustrations with it but the "it requires modifications to get a good experience out of it" isn't true.

I probably should point out though that my opinions are based on Android with SenseUI on top and that I find stock Android a disappointment both feature and UI wise.
 
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It's amazing how wrapped up some people can get in their own little tech bubbles sometimes; so much so they forget that there are multiple reasons why people buy phones. The product fulfils a function at the end of the day, and whether that's to portray an image to others, or to meet a technical requirement, may not seem of equal validity in some minds. However, what does it really matter? - it's not your money being spent..

I've spent over a decade sodding about with technology; modding this, fixing that, trying to make something better or faster. I've reached a stage now where I just don't care any more. I want things to just work, so I can get on with what actually matters in life. And that's exactly what an iPhone does. Android just doesn't, it really doesn't. Not in a big way, but in a way that is significant enough to ensure those of us who don't want to faff about with settings in order to get the phone running how we want take a bit of a hit in terms of user experience. To technically minded people like me, it's a frustration, but to average people who are simply expecting the iOS experience from Android, they end up just not using the phone properly, and as slinky pointed out, they quickly come unstuck. This is coming from a HTC Desire owner. Both OSs have their limitations, but if it weren't for the inhibitive price, I would switch in a heartbeat.

Define the "ios experience". Its a phrase a lot of so called tech minded people bandy about but I assume there's more to it than the idiotic "it just works" crutch as frankly ios doesn't. It really doesn't (if you've been used to all an htc desire can do).
 
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I don't think It's limited to iPhone users, in fact a lot of the iPhone users I know treat my android phones as if they were the same, we're always suggesting apps to each other as if it was the same OS as there are so many similar/same apps on the market/store.

This. I have an iPhone 4, my mum has a HTC Wildfire and my sister has a HTC Desire. Despite being the odd one out we all talk as if we all run the same OS, however they're features that I wish I had and vice-versa.


While those are valid points and social-network integration/Widgets is something I wish my iPhone did better I just don't see a point in arguing. I think, at the end of the day it's pretty much all opinion based, I would never say android is superior or vice-versa. They're both fantastic OS's and you can't really go wrong with either one.
 
Bit in bold is your opinion, it's not fact like you're stating.

Wrong, the whole of the second paragraph is my opinion! ;) ...just like the majority of your own post. The way we use technology like mobile phones and our opinions of it are completely subjective and this is what is so often missed by those who accuse others of 'ignorance'. My opinions and the reasoning behind my argument are valid for me and me only. As far as I'm concerned, no, Android doesn't 'just work'. It's a geeky OS designed for functionality over usability to put it bluntly. It is of course an immense improvement over early variants, and as you mention, Sense makes the whole thing miles better. But the Android foundations and ideals have a nasty habit of creeping into everything you try and use it for. Why, when texting, and trying to type 'the balloon just went pop' does it capitalise this to POP without fail every single time for example? Who thought to put 'POP' in the in-built dictionary?!...along with countless other useless tech words that get shoved in my texts by auto-correct every so often.

As I've made clear, I don't think Android is a bad OS, but it really is these little niggles in the core functionality that make the difference for me. I can't stand the agenda view; I much prefer the time based calendar. But even this doesn't work properly. It gets stuck on specific days and whatnot. Deal breaker? No. Major annoyance? Yes!

Maybe I phrased the comment about 'settings' slightly clumsily. It's a hard one to define. Needless to say though, you do have to actually know something, maybe not a lot, but definitely something, to get a good experience out of the phone, as slinky pointed out. Which neatly brings me to Rimsy's comment...

Define the "ios experience". Its a phrase a lot of so called tech minded people bandy about but I assume there's more to it than the idiotic "it just works" crutch as frankly ios doesn't. It really doesn't (if you've been used to all an htc desire can do).

The thing a lot of people slate about iOS is the '2 year old experience'.
ie. being shepherded through every single setting and installation as if you haven't got a clue. But to be honest, that's the reason I like it so much. Being treated like an idiot by your phone is a good thing! When I'm out and about and thinking about a hell of a lot of things at once, I don't want to be getting stuck in unintuitive UIs, clunky apps that don't work perfectly when they matter most, and stupid niggles that shouldn't exist. I don't want to have to think. This is what iOS achieves in its simplistic yet restrictive design. There's nothing idiotic about saying 'it just works' unless you're saying it idiotically! For me, iOS just works, Android just doesn't. That's a statement of opinion, as is this entire post. Don't take it as anything more :)
 
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