Meaning of life and Consciousness ?

[lixxus]

I would like to know peoples take from a scientific or by comparable reason religious argument to this question.

Is consciousness something created or evolved through time.

I'm really interested in the conscious and if we can recreate something similar in AI(robots) ?

 

[Rroff]

I don't see how anything, however complex, made up of the basic building blocks of this existance (energy) can possible be self aware.

 

[Angleboy]

If something is able to make a decision it is concious, even if only on a very low level.

There is nothing more to it than that.

 

[Glaucus]

I don't see how anything, however complex, made up of the basic building blocks of this existance (energy) can possible be self aware.

why not?
surly it is a very basic reasoning and learning ability?

I don't see it as anything special and I'm sure far more animals are self aware than we think.

 

[Rroff]

How can it? at the basic level you have cause and effect, you can keep building on this making more and more complex computational constructs but it just becomes more complex chains of cause and effect where does the reasoning come from?

 

[lixxus]

What is the big difference between being self aware and conscious.

Are they the same ?

Are animals aware of a bigger entity than them ie space/stars,planet

or are they genetically predisposed to concentrate of certain awareness.

 

[Tombstone]

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[semi-pro waster]

I'm really interested in the conscious and if we can recreate something similar in AI(robots) ?

It might depend what you mean here - if you want to know if robots can be aware of what their sensors are telling them in relation to themselves and avoiding potential damage then sure, it's possible. If you mean can they adapt beyond their programming to have thoughts/feelings/emotions then I'd think the answer is less clear cut.

 

[Rroff]

I would like to know peoples take from a scientific or by comparable reason religious argument to this question.

Is consciousness something created or evolved through time.

I'm really interested in the conscious and if we can recreate something similar in AI(robots) ?

You could potentially create a robot that was complete capable of processing the world around it and responding to that stimuli identical to a human, you could even program it with the goals that drive most humans but it would not actually be self aware.

 

[Glaucus]

How can it? at the basic level you have cause and effect, you can keep building on this making more and more complex computational constructs but it just becomes more complex chains of cause and effect where does the reasoning come from?

As soon as you have the ability to realise that you are you, which is a basic learning and reasoning skill.

Reasoning that a waving arm in a mirror matches what ever you do and from that learning it's you.

You could potentially create a robot that was complete capable of processing the world around it and responding to that stimuli identical to a human, you could even program it with the goals that drive most humans but it would not actually be self aware.

If it acts and can understand the same as a human, then it is self aware. why would you add an unknown on to the definition and how do you know that isn't exactly what human self awareness is.

 

[Rroff]

Where does this ability to realise come from? certainly not from the primitive interactions of energy and no matter how complex they become they are still just cause and effect.

 

[Glaucus]

Where does this ability to realise come from? certainly not from the primitive interactions of energy and no matter how complex they become they are still just cause and effect.

why not, it is nothing more than a feed back loop. Or right I'm thinking, um I agree with that or I don't.
it's like having two parts in the brain, the basic part which starts thinking, then a higher part which questions that thought. No extra help is needed, the second path is making a judgement on the first thought. do I have any control over that first thought, no i didn't even think it. do I then have the ability to question that thought then yes I do, unless it's an automatic reaction.
No idea if my reasoning is right, but that's how I see it.

 

[wilko49]

I don't see any real difference between carbon-based and silicon-based machines, other than the fact that we (carbon-based machines) occurred within nature, but silicon-based machines didn't (at least not on Earth). Hence, I believe that computers have the potential to be conscious and self-aware, as we are. They just haven't got there yet.

Obviously, I have made some assumptions here - mainly, that there is no supernatural element to life, such as a soul. If you disagree with that assumption, you may disagree with my conclusion.

 

[Rroff]

If it acts and can understand the same as a human, then it is self aware. why would you add an unknown on to the definition and how do you know that isn't exactly what human self awareness is.

How tho - its entire contstruct is just a complex set of electrical impulses, its actions controlled by the laws of physics it only appears to be making decisions based on the level of complexity, prune it back and its still just cause and affect.

 

[Glaucus]

How tho - its entire contstruct is just a complex set of electrical impulses, its actions controlled by the laws of physics it only appears to be making decisions based on the level of complexity, prune it back and its still just cause and affect.

which is exactly what we are. We are nothing more than electrical parth ways, with a limited amount of control.

We have to brains Animal and higher we have little to no control over the animal brain, it reacts and thinks for itself. however many of the thoughts the higher brain can then react on and decide what to do.
So in a computer world you have to computers, the one which receives all the sensor data and makes the basic thoughts like I'm low on power, it then passes that info(thought) to the second computer which then can make a decision on it. It is the ability of this "second brain" to reason that teh data from the first is all part of you, taht makes you self aware. I do not see it as anything complicated. It's just that we took millions of years to get here and we are in the infancy of computers.

 

[Rroff]

I don't see any real difference between carbon-based and silicon-based machines, other than the fact that we (carbon-based machines) occurred within nature, but silicon-based machines didn't (at least not on Earth). Hence, I believe that computers have the potential to be conscious and self-aware, as we are. They just haven't got there yet.

I believe the opposite myself, no matter how complex the construction I don't believe that any construct within this existance (not really the right term but I hate using dimension in this context) can be self aware inside the existance, that our self awareness is something external to this existance.

I believe our purpose here is to define and redefine who we are.

 

[lixxus]

which is exactly what we are. We are nothing more than electrical parth ways, with a limited amount of control.

So if technically and it becomes apparent in the future we can do this.

Is it wrong to think we were made ?

 

[flibbage0]

A more concerning question is what happens after you die?

I mean we might think, being dead would suck, but when you are dead you don't know if it sucks, you can't think about tomorrow or lets go meet my mates tonight or go on Overclockers. Its just end.

 

[easyrider]

Indeed.

A robot is always dead even when moving

A Human is dead. Its the Soul that makes the person appear alive. When the soul leaves, the body hasn't changed at all. But it is no longer Conscious even though on a base level of matter its the same. So what has changed?

The soul, life force call it what you will is no longer present. This is the Key to understanding the notion of the self.

Robots will never have a soul. Soul's cannot be manifest. They just are.

The Soul's existence can not be proved or disproved.

 

[Glaucus]

So if technically and it becomes apparent in the future we can do this.

Is it wrong to think we were made ?

it wouldn't support either hypothesise, just like nothing supports either hypothesis at the moment.

A Human is dead. Its the Soul that makes the person appear alive. When the soul leaves, the body hasn't changed at all. But it is no longer Conscious even though on a base level of matter its the same. So what has changed?
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Lets think for a moment, a huge number of electrical and chemical messages have ceased, the body changes massively during and momentarily after death. To say nothing in the body changes is absurd.