Imagination, dreams?
One point I see for them is to cope with cause and effect, be in part outside of cause and effect and create our own, that have nothing to do with real cause and effect, but are able to effect for real.
Meaning of life and Consciousness ?
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Imagination, dreams?
One point I see for them is to cope with cause and effect, be in part outside of cause and effect and create our own, that have nothing to do with real cause and effect, but are able to effect for real.
But you are the one suggesting a soul exists ? That it is the life force.
We are trying to establish consciousness as meaning and purpose of life and whether it can be replicated in Artificial Intelligence.
Well we know we can physically, which just leaves what you call the soul.
I don't know if you are trying to argue that we cant function without conscious/soul.
The idea is that are we self aware, will a robot know its alive? Will it have the ability to learn etc and make judgement's like us.
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Just because we can't detect something doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
Imagination is still bound by cause and effect - dreams are somewhat more complex.
I would argue a soul does exist, yes.
Thats exactly why artificial Intelligence will never be conscious and self aware. It doesn't have a soul so therefore cannot be truly alive.
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But why do you need a soul? What does a soul do that can not be done in the body, what process?
Imagination is all we see, we dont really see the world there is no such thing as red, blue or numbers, or time neccesarily.
We can imagine three paths, there is no weight(as in no precondition for which one to choose, all equal) to either of these ways we go. Our subsequent real choice can have no previous cause or reason for it being.
We intepret the world, we dont see, it we just see it through distorted lenses simulated inside our heads according to our own preconceptions and desires, moods.
The simulation is not accurate so our choices cannot be perfect. Because surely if everything was cause and effect everything would be perfect?
why? for what reason? what evidence? what don't you think the body can do but the soul can, what processes?
Why do men need nipples?
Having studied the biological sciences for quite some time, I can happily confirm that I dont have a clue as to the OPs questions.
I think the soul is like the driver for the physical matter
A car is a lump of matter and its dead. When the driver enters the car the car appears alive. Even though the matter is the same. When the driver leaves the car the car is just a lump of matter.
The driver makes the car appear alive. Without a driver the car is static and will eventually decay into nothing,
The soul is the driver of Human
left over dna.Why do men need nipples?
I'm just trying to understand why they think their needs to be a soul and what it provides. I just don;t see the need and bunged a basic example up.All they go is you can't get self consciousness from cause and effect. But introducing a soul and you still have cause and effect, nothing changes that. it's just that a soul alters the effect, just like a brain with the knowledge and experience of your life experiences.
But why? why can't the body do this on it's own. a bit more detail please.
For 99% of our decisions its very much based on cause and effect i.e. its raining so we stay inside, etc. the only thing I can't quite get my head around is the ability to think of a random number or color, I can pull a random number out of my head without being able to see the reasoning for coming up with that number but I can't discount it being a complex sub-conscious chain of cause and effect either.
Even interpretation is based on cause and effect, we don't see something the way someone else sees it because we haven't had the same experiences they have.
It won't be random, you just don't know why.
you just have to look at mind control from magicians who can seemingly make you think in a certain way, to know there is an underlying reason.
there's still cause and effect. You want a random number and your head picks one for what ever reason.
Your looking at it differently to me - I can't see how anything based on the physics of this dimension can be self aware, as a programmer I'm only too aware just how limited to cause and affect things really are, so I can only conclude there must be an external observer (the soul?) that can observe the state of our physical body.
But that's why we have nipples, not why we need them (and if I'm to be pedant it's nothing to do with 'left over' DNA but developmental gene expression... But I got your jist
).My point being just because we don't need something doesn't necessarily something isn't there.
because computers are very basic atm.
You can program feed back loops, that is what self conciseness is. It's the ability to take sensor information and go wow that's me, I generated that info.
I agree, but it's a bit pointless look at it in that way, although acceptable. the discussion doesn't go anywhere. If people have a strong believe I would hope they have some underlying reason. The brian can't do x,y,z therefore there must be some outside existence. Obviously this is going to be very basic from all sides as we aren't qualified in this subject. but just trying to get an idea of what and why.
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because it's programmed to.
You could program a robot to be able to identify itself in a mirror and then test itself to make sure it's not a painting by waving it's arm and comparing that to the image. that's exactly what we do.