Christian assemblies in schools could face axe over claims they infringe children's human rights
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No, science has evidence, analysis and theory. Theory is as solid as science gets, and that's not discrediting in the slightest.
It's a rather pedant point I must admit.
So therefore, parents pushing religion onto their own children is also infringing their rights?
yes, it is. children are susceptible to anything their parents say or teach; now its the 21st century and we know that religion is a fairy tail, it should no longer be taught by school nor parent alike.
morals do not come from the bible.
Well yes you are entirely correct, science has theory that is either supported by the experimental evidence and/or equations or is not and hence is not valid...
But I was typing up a quick reply, rather than giving a long essay reply that uses every term scientifically rather than the colloquial "proof" ...
I think it's fair to say that morals come from the social hive mind need to have a functioning population. They don't have to come from a religious text, although they frequently do.
A religious text is just a convenient container in which to perpetrate those morals.
All civilisations have used religions to create a moral code, this includes our own, we call then christian morals because that was the driving religion borne out of our growing culture, they are not any different from the moral structures of other faiths (albeit with some obvious doctrinal differences).
Interestingly for the debate, it seems we can have God without religion, but not Religion without God according to some people, I'd like to point out that God and Religion are two very different topics of debate. I think there is an issue here is with man and his seeming move toward religion in the US, Asia, Middle East and Africa and the move away in Europe which may see a break up of the current US led influence on western culture as Europe reasserts its historical hegemony.
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That's fine. I actually get very frustrated when people say science cannot prove anything and therefore should be disregarded... It completely misses the point.
In conversation I may casually refer to evolution as true. I certainly believe it to be true. What I actually think is that evolution as it stands is as likely to be correct as the chance the sun will rise tommorow morning. Everything you have seen confirms it is likely to be true, and saying you can't prove evolution is as silly as saying you cannot prove the sun will rise tommorow.
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I went to a Roman Catholic primary school.
I'm definitely agnostic now, but I don't feel that the religious elements of the school detracted in the slightest from my education or learning.
It was a wonderful school, and I wouldn't hesitate for a moment to send my children there.
Edit: I would say it did instill a sound sense of morality in me. The humanist elements of the Bible will always be a useful vehicle to teach both children and adults how to be better people towards one another.
I'm definitely agnostic now, but I don't feel that the religious elements of the school detracted in the slightest from my education or learning.
It was a wonderful school, and I wouldn't hesitate for a moment to send my children there.
Edit: I would say it did instill a sound sense of morality in me. The humanist elements of the Bible will always be a useful vehicle to teach both children and adults how to be better people towards one another.
So without the bible we would all be raping, pillaging and murdering? What happened before the bible, was it barbaric and unloving? Was there no civilisation pre-christ?
Its moronic to say that the bible gave us morals, all it says is 'stuf we already know' - it didn't really need to be written down.
There are plenty videos and articles out there on this topic which can far more eloquently explain this better, I suggest you do some reading.
Do you believe the world is 6000 years?
Yeah, I had face the wall for not praying once. We also got told "you're in a Christian school so put your hands together and pray"... in high school :/ I got sent out for that too. I was about 12 and thought I'd get kicked out because I didn't believe in God
I haven't heard anyone say they've been indoctrinated so far, the point is they're being forced to do something they are too young to even start to understand. But if you believe this will lead to your son having higher literacy skills, who am I to argue?
...and the RE teacher probably is weird, let's face it.
I haven't heard anyone say they've been indoctrinated so far, the point is they're being forced to do something they are too young to even start to understand. But if you believe this will lead to your son having higher literacy skills, who am I to argue?
...and the RE teacher probably is weird, let's face it.
Point is actually that no-one is being forced to do anything, Parents have the option to opt their children out of religious assemblies. The argument put forward against them is indoctrination of children, yet there is not one case of a child who has graduated from a UK school in the last 30 years that has been indoctrinated, in fact quite the opposite the overall feeling is moving away from organised religion, now if all the children were indoctrinated how is this the case?
It is harmless, and is just an age old way of teaching moral values to children. Humans are not born moral after all, it is a nurture not nature response.
Faith schools consistently perform better than secular ones, belief has nothing to do with it.
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My RE teacher refused to teach me because I questioned everything he said and asked him to prove it with science...a bit like a ten year old Rypt. I grew up however....
I agree with this completely, having one faith set above others in a mixed faith or non faith school is wrong, it just tells children than it is the standard, religion should be taught equally.
Faith schools I don't really have a "problem" with, I think they are as unnecessary as boys/girls schools in this day and age but they are far from a problem and don't do any real harm, if any at all.
Faith schools I don't really have a "problem" with, I think they are as unnecessary as boys/girls schools in this day and age but they are far from a problem and don't do any real harm, if any at all.
I didn't give a monkeys about RE, used to **** about in the lessons with my mates and was generally failing the subject (not due to not knowing it, but due to not caring)
Our report cards had Alpha - Beta - Gamma for the grade, and then 1,2,3 for effort (1 being the most, 3 being the least effort put in)
My RE grades were ALWAYS Gamma 3
... until in the last year that I had to take RE, my parents were called in a few days before the end of year exam saying basically that if I didn't pass the exam they'd not let me move up to the next year (despite all the other grades for all the important subjects being top 5 in the year group).
Guess what? I bothered to actually do the exam properly and got the BEST mark in the whole year (~100 kids), 95% or something it was and was about 5-10% clear of the guy who got the 2nd best mark.
My final report card grade? Alpha 3 ... the first time ever such a grade was given according to the headmaster
Lol that was my teacher!! I believe he was actually called Mr Mackey!
Wheatley park, right?
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