The problem with that statement being that he is coming from a position of No God whatsoever, whereas a theist isn't dismissing God, only someone elses interpretation of what God is.
Christian assemblies in schools could face axe over claims they infringe children's human rights
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The problem with that statement being that he is coming from a position of No God whatsoever, whereas a theist isn't dismissing God, only someone elses interpretation of what God is.
I'm not intolerant or argumentative. In fact I find that line from the churches to cause me a great deal of anger.
The Bishop of Westminster the other day was bleating on about how it's unfair that he can't discriminate against people and be as homophobic as he likes, and how him and his followers are victims.
I strongly support freedom for and freedom from religion. If someone wants to practice their religion then it's fine by me and I will defend their right to do so. As long as it doesn't break any laws - the law has to take priority. Likewise I will defend anyone from religion. However I disagree with any blasphemy laws. Nobody has the right not to be offended. I now take every opportunity I can to offend intolerant religious people - as I believe it's a morally right thing to do.
Religion wasn't even talked about outside of school; I wasn't pointed away from it at any point. I just found the whole ceremony/prayer thing to be a tad insane. I still do.
And I've been talking Primary school here. In high-school, RE for the first few years was taught by a guy who couldn't control the class... needless to say it was like a free lesson while he tried to read from the bible.
Other religions were not taught. The closest we came to was a Hindu woman talking about fasting.
In the last two years, it was taught by an actual Christian woman who believed in the Christian god, etc... nothing was questioned by anyone other than myself and a few others. And that wasn't encouraged at all. I got the 'oh I feel sorry for you, I don't know how anyone can go on not having faith in something' shpeel.
Why would a homosexual want to follow a religion whose God is planning on sending them to hell?
Some practicing Christians refuse to deal with homosexuals in their daily working lives.
So the entire educational ethos of your primary school revolved around teaching you religion....
I suspect that I'm older than you by some margin and my primary school taught RE and had a christian assembly etc...however it also taught other things like science, maths, history. It also taught social skills and the ability to think for yourself, to question things. I expect yours was similar and as such you were not indoctrinated into a religion at all by the primary school system.
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So the entire educational ethos of your primary school revolved around teaching you religion....
It's the only reason religions are involved in education, just to shove it down kids throats when they're young and vulnerable. Think the papacy would agree to teach kids but not do any jesus indoctrination? No, neither do I.
You're missing the point here, a system cannot indocrinate and teach you to think for yourself at the same time. All schools are legally bound by a national curriculum, the entire curriculum would need to be geared toward the religious indoctrination and that is simply not true.
That's not based on factually correct information.
The system is geared to shove jesus down kids throats. The school is legally bound by the national curriculum of course, but it doesn't prevent them abusing kids by feeding them lies.
Go away. Come back when you have something of substance to offer.
So the entire RELIGIOUS educational ethos of your primary school revolved around teaching you Christianity....
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I thought we were talking about religious education in school?
When you're < 11 years old there's a limit to how far you can 'think for yourself', since you only know what you're taught about the world and how it works. That's all you have to work with. So if you're drilled with God, Adam, Eve, talking snakes, heaven, hell... well...
Can you really make an informed decision at that age, and is it important to? Why can we not just teach reality and not confuse children with fairy tales?
No. Sorry. I strongly believe what I say is correct, you're free to disagree but you're not free to silence me, best you can do is ignore me.
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Absolutely, it's a witty and cleverly worded point but it is starting from a position that denies that of others. I appreciate its brevity even though I disagree with it as a conclusion but my posting it wasn't about whether I believed it, it was intended to see if it was a fair summary of Mitty's point.
I'm not silencing you, I'm telling you to go away and come back with a better argument than just some "their out to get me" scenario. If you believe that the educational system of the UK is set up to indoctrinate a specific religion onto the populace, why?
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First thing I thought of. Ban it in schools across the world and it could spell an end to convential religion.
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Daily Fail, lol!
I've only ever seen a Christian assembly in a Christian school, and I don't see the problem with that, nobody has ever been forced to go to a Christian school by the authorities, ergo no breach of human rights, we're not mandating religion.
I've only ever seen a Christian assembly in a Christian school, and I don't see the problem with that, nobody has ever been forced to go to a Christian school by the authorities, ergo no breach of human rights, we're not mandating religion.
Why is there a limit?, was Mozart limited when he wrote his first concerto...
We are discussing the indoctrination of religion in schools, Well, any school that teaches other forms of thought, be it science, social, or just the ethos of learning cannot be said to be indoctrinating as for every class on religion that states "This is so", there are several that teach "Question everything"...
To indoctrinate the entire education system must be geared toward it, otherwise it only undermines itself.
There's no simpler way to say it other than how I've said it already.
The papacy and other churches are in the education game because it allows them access to vulnerable young children and allows them to peddle their lies at them when they are trying to make sense of the world.
"Give me a child until he is seven and I will give you the man." Jesuit motto.
bahaha
The only problem with that is that the rest of the education system undermines any indoctrination that religion attempts to perpetrate.
There are only 9 Jesuit schools in the UK all of which are subject to the same educational controls as any other state maintained school or private school in the case of those.
If the education system was indoctrinated the youth then we would be a nation of believers and not one which has become the birthplace of a rather fervent atheist minority who are trying to recreate British Culture to suit themselves.
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