Christian assemblies in schools could face axe over claims they infringe children's human rights

[The Halk]

Our culture has evolved for as long as Britain has been civilised. Superstitions have always been left behind eventually and that's what's happening with christianity. There's a small but significant portion of the population who refuse to join the 21st Century, but it's up to them. I won't drag them screaming into it, but I will speak out against them indoctrinating their mumbo jumbo into kids.

Additionally how much promotion of critical thought do you really think papal schools really do compared to the amount of shoving their religion into kids? I don't think it's an equal split by any means.

 

[Castiel]

Our culture has evolved for as long as Britain has been civilised. Superstitions have always been left behind eventually and that's what's happening with christianity. There's a small but significant portion of the population who refuse to join the 21st Century, but it's up to them. I won't drag them screaming into it, but I will speak out against them indoctrinating their mumbo jumbo into kids.

Additionally how much promotion of critical thought do you really think papal schools really do compared to the amount of shoving their religion into kids? I don't think it's an equal split by any means.

No you are correct it's not an equal split, religion is only a tiny part of the school my Son attends. Also why the emphasis on catholics?

Atheists are the minority btw.

 

[The Halk]

No you are correct it's not an equal split, religion is only a tiny part of the school my Son attends.

Atheists are the minority btw.

Yes, atheists are in the minority. Most people that say they are atheists (myself included) are saying that but meaning agnostic. I don't say agnostic because that is interpreted as meaning that I believe in some sort of divine being but I don't really know much about it.

Personally I don't know enough to say there is nothing out there, but I'm certain it's nothing Abrahamistic or anything any other religion has made up.

As for what your son is taught in school. Just what is "anti-religious" I'd bet virtually nothing, if anything at all. The curriculum requires evolution but I don't think the papacy is opposed to that. So while most of the time is spent teaching normal educational things there's still time spend drumming in the fear of god etc.

 

[Monkeymatt]

I was in an assembly earlier this year, somebody from the local Christian church had come in to have a little talk. She rambled on, and then at the end finished with: "You're either a Neo-Nazi or a Christian".

I was horrified, but presumed she had just mis-worded it, as I didn't think they would allow anybody with views that extreme into schools. I found out a couple of days later, that earlier in the week she had done an assembly to some younger pupils where she said exactly the same thing.

Now after she had made one extreme statement, how could the school invite her back?

 

[xJcBx]

Good.

 

[The Halk]

I was in an assembly earlier this year, somebody from the local Christian church had come in to have a little talk. She rambled on, and then at the end finished with: "You're either a Neo-Nazi or a Christian".

I was horrified, but presumed she had just mis-worded it, as I didn't think they would allow anybody with views that extreme into schools. I found out a couple of days later, that earlier in the week she had done an assembly to some younger pupils where she said exactly the same thing.

Now after she had made one extreme statement, how could the school invite her back?

Have you ever read the bible? It's full of horrible stuff kids shouldn't be subjected to as well.

 

[Monkeymatt]

Have you ever read the bible? It's full of horrible stuff kids shouldn't be subjected to as well.

I haven't read the bible personally, but from what I have heard, it does have some good points to it. It does raise good things and I don't mind these points being taught in school. However there is a difference between teaching a good life lesson in schools, and calling all non-Christians Neo-Nazi's.

 

[The Halk]

I haven't read the bible personally, but from what I have heard, it does have some good points to it. It does raise good things and I don't mind these points being taught in school. However there is a difference between teaching a good life lesson in schools, and calling all non-Christians Neo-Nazi's.

Yeah, but you can teach kids the same moral lessons without telling them they need to be good or god will take revenge on them - after all what happens when they grow out of believing in god, will they suddenly then think it's ok to be a dick?

 

[Castiel]

Yes, atheists are in the minority. Most people that say they are atheists (myself included) are saying that but meaning agnostic. I don't say agnostic because that is interpreted as meaning that I believe in some sort of divine being but I don't really know much about it.

Personally I don't know enough to say there is nothing out there, but I'm certain it's nothing Abrahamistic or anything any other religion has made up.

As for what your son is taught in school. Just what is "anti-religious" I'd bet virtually nothing, if anything at all. The curriculum requires evolution but I don't think the papacy is opposed to that. So while most of the time is spent teaching normal educational things there's still time spend drumming in the fear of god etc.

I just asked my son if he is scared of God, he said "Daddy you're silly" to begin with, but I asked him again for a serious reply and his answer was "No, Gods not real...I think."

Hardly indoctrinated....


What are you suggesting with Anti-Religion teaching?

 

[The Halk]

I just asked my son if he is scared of God, he said "Daddy you're silly" to begin with, but I asked him again for a serious reply and his answer was "No, Gods not real...I think."

Hardly indoctrinated....

Just because your son is smart enough to see through it doesn't mean they haven't tried!

(Good job your son btw!)

 

[Vonhelmet]

While I'm very glad my daughter is in a Christian school, I can see the argument for abolishing such things... I'd be saddened by it, but I'd accept it.

 

[Castiel]

Yeah, but you can teach kids the same moral lessons without telling them they need to be good or god will take revenge on them - after all what happens when they grow out of believing in god, will they suddenly then think it's ok to be a dick?

Haha, like modern schools teach fire and brimstone religion. You undermine your own argument with such fallacious nonsense.

 

[The Halk]

Haha, like modern schools teach fire and brimstone religion. You undermine your own argument with such fallacious nonsense.

I don't think the majority of papal schools do - you're probably right there. But I don't know about Muslim schools, I suspect the vast majority don't.

But there's nothing to prevent "faith schools" doing it.

 

[Castiel]

While I'm very glad my daughter is in a Christian school, I can see the argument for abolishing such things... I'd be saddened by it, but I'd accept it.

But should you have to pander to a vocal minority, I'm agnostic so I don't care whether religious ethos' are taught in school or not, but I'll be darned if I'll let a bunch of loons impose their minority belief on me and mine. If the NSS want to fund 10% of schools budgets then they can teach their own ethos can't they....

If I accepted for one minute that my sons school was indoctrinating him in a specific polarized viewpoint I would remove him.

Religion, all religion should be taught in schools, at the very least to foster understanding between disparate beliefs and cultures, however you cook the books, those who ascribe to a religion are globally in the majority by a long way and to ignore that is foolish.

 

[BunnyKillBot]

There's a small but significant portion of the population who refuse to join the 21st Century

Small eh? If the sum collective of religious folk is small, the sum total of mobolised atheists must be statistically negligable.

Yeah, but you can teach kids the same moral lessons without telling them they need to be good or god will take revenge on them - after all what happens when they grow out of believing in god, will they suddenly then think it's ok to be a dick?

Hi, you seem to be confusing God with Santa Claus, easy enough mistake at christmas i guess.

 

[Raumarik]

But should you have to pander to a vocal minority, I'm agnostic so I don't care whether religious ethos' are taught in school or not, but I'll be darned if I'll let a bunch of loons impose their minority belief on me and mine. If the NSS want to fund 10% of schools budgets then they can teach their own ethos can't they....

If I accepted for one minute that my sons school was indoctrinating him in a specific polarized viewpoint I would remove him.

Religion, all religion should be taught in schools, at the very least to foster understanding between disparate beliefs and cultures, however you cook the books, those who ascribe to a religion are globally in the majority by a long way and to ignore that is foolish.

Totally agree, I'm a Humanist but have no problem with religion being taught in school, ignorance would be more damaging to children than simply refusing to teach religion entirely. I was educated and raised a Roman Catholic but our RE at school was focused almost entirely on other religions, something that many non-catholic schooled people don't seem to understand. We might have religious assemblies and mass now and then but on the whole it was about OTHER religions and oddly enough not in a bad way.

 

[The Halk]

Small eh? If the sum collective of religious folk is small, the sum total of mobolised atheists must be statistically negligable.

If you're talking about the UK then the most recent EuroStat Eurobarometer poll had 38% of the UK believing in a god. As to what percentage believe in it the way an Abrahamistic or similar religion pictures it is outside of the scope of that survey. It does put you in a minority though.

As for "mobilised atheists" I'm certainly not one. I don't feel a need to gather or sign up or join something to vocally object where appropriate.

Edit: There's a difference between Santa and God? What would this difference be? Please say that one's real and one isn't

 

[BunnyKillBot]

If you're talking about the UK then the most recent EuroStat Eurobarometer poll had 38% of the UK believing in a god. As to what percentage believe in it the way an Abrahamistic or similar religion pictures it is outside of the scope of that survey. It does put you in a minority though.

As for "mobilised atheists" I'm certainly not one. I don't feel a need to gather or sign up or join something to vocally object where appropriate.

I like how you convieniantly leave out that only 20% 'Believe in neither a spirit, god or life force↓', according to the wiki. That puts you in a more significant minority And, in a first past the post system, ironically in this country the 'Belief in a spirit or life force' brigade win with 40%. So putting the numbers together, 78% believe in spirituality according to your poll. Oh gosh, it appears you are the minority after all.

 

[The Halk]

I like how you convieniantly leave out that only 20% 'Believe in neither a spirit, god or life force↓', according to the wiki. That puts you in a more significant minority And, in a first past the post system, ironically in this country the 'Belief in a spirit or life force' brigade win with 40%

Erm, yeah, because I'm quite sure that's not organised religion

If you like we can instead look at figures of what percentage of people go to church at least once a month?

 

[BunnyKillBot]

Erm, yeah, because I'm quite sure that's not organised religion

If you like we can instead look at figures of what percentage of people go to church at least once a month?

Hahahahaha. Get defeated, move the goal posts eh. Suddenly 'belief in God' becomes 'goes to church AT LEAST once a month'. You might want to research the difference between faith and religiousity lest you appear any more foolish in this debate.