Hell, I went past 5k during all that without noticing...
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Christian assemblies in schools could face axe over claims they infringe children's human rights
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Big deal my bottle of grouse has all gone. famous it was too.
Can any of us say that this is good for kids?
I think we are at the point (or should i say, past the point) of religion having any real relevance in our lives. I don't get my morals from religion and we all know right from wrong. If there is a god he's going to have to do the one thing that would convince everyone! SHOW HIMSELF TO ALL.
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The only time Religion should be mentioned in Schools is in R.E. Classes where it is all on even ground.
Other than that your being biased towards one Religion.
Children shouldn't be brought up Atheist or Religious. But left to choose their own path without being herded into one or the other.
Edit: Are they teaching or mentioning Atheism in the Cirriculum? If not why not? (It wasn't there when I was at school IIRC)
Other than that your being biased towards one Religion.
Children shouldn't be brought up Atheist or Religious. But left to choose their own path without being herded into one or the other.
Edit: Are they teaching or mentioning Atheism in the Cirriculum? If not why not? (It wasn't there when I was at school IIRC)
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To be honest, I really can't be bothered reading 14 pages of the same thing but I wanted to add my oppinion and say that I fully aggree with this being axed - compulsary religious education itself should be axed in schools - if a familly want to bring their child up in a religious environment then they should do so themselves, not have it forced upon the child in school.
Even when I was in year 13 doing the 2nd half of my A-Levels they still tried to force religious education on us and it was bloody stupid - I had two free periods split either side of an RE 'lesson' so I chose to ignore the RE lesson and carry on with my physics coursework - when the RE teacher came to find me I told her "I won't be attending your lesson, I have better things to do" (didn't go down well) - they had me up in front of the headmaster for 'disrespecting' the teacher etc...
Bloody ridiculous that they force it upon kids with such... well... force I guess!
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Even when I was in year 13 doing the 2nd half of my A-Levels they still tried to force religious education on us and it was bloody stupid - I had two free periods split either side of an RE 'lesson' so I chose to ignore the RE lesson and carry on with my physics coursework - when the RE teacher came to find me I told her "I won't be attending your lesson, I have better things to do" (didn't go down well) - they had me up in front of the headmaster for 'disrespecting' the teacher etc...
Bloody ridiculous that they force it upon kids with such... well... force I guess!
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Like it really matters. Children learn about other religions in lessons so they can make their own mind up. They don't even pray to any Islamic, Christian, Jewish god, just god in general.
Majority of religions all spawn from the same ideas any way, therefore a bog standard prayer can involve everyone. It's only atheists that have their knickers in a twist, and I think if you believe so strongly there isn't a god, then that's a religion in itself and they need to stop meddling in things that don't concern them.
Majority of religions all spawn from the same ideas any way, therefore a bog standard prayer can involve everyone. It's only atheists that have their knickers in a twist, and I think if you believe so strongly there isn't a god, then that's a religion in itself and they need to stop meddling in things that don't concern them.
Surely that is up to the parents? As parents we are responsible for the ideological upbringing of our child are we not? Why single out religion as deserving special treatment?
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'kids' or 'you' and who is 'they' anyway. Too many unfounded assumptions here. Drawing from your experience and forming a generalisation does not constitute fact.
And 'force'? Its a shame we live in a cotton wool era where people think force is having a quiet word.
In my experience, the agenda of schools teaching RE is not to spawn little religious folk, but to teach tolerance and understanding given the multi-cultural, multi-faith society we live in. For instance, the next time you see a man wearing a Kipah you think 'Ah, he must be jewish' rather than 'Ah! Freak wearing overly small hat! He is different to me, i am afraid, i must destroy!!'
Therefore in your case, was it their methods, or you assumptions that they were trying to convert you that prompted you to skip RE?
Are you a daily mail reader?
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Atheism is part of the curriculum and has been since 2004.
I don't think we should pander to every ones religions needs, it shouldn't be in school except in R.E. taught as "some people believe this".
Religion shouldn't have a special treatment no, but as it is already part of our world and we can't or shouldn't hide it. When clashes happen we should remain neutral and not back one Religion or the other. I am treating militant Atheists the same.
It's also important to understand others beliefs otherwise we will just bicker all the time ie. this thread.
Some people believe one thing others believe another, its just the the way the Human condition has evolved. I very much doubt there will ever not be Religion on this Planet. Well, unless something changes drastically.
You sound like the daily mail reader here...
From my personal experience, it was never a 'quiet' word, rather some nutjob screaming in your face, or humiliated as a young child to stand up in front of 400+ people to recite some drivvel.
Or does 'force' only mean a literal gun to your throat now?
And I love your reasoning that we all attack anything that is different from us...the majority of religious attire looks as ridiculous as say...skiny jeans on boys. I think the jeans are odd and don't understand why any male would wear them, but I don't go around attacking them...
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Oh and as to the atheism being taught, it was briefly mentioned in a few of my last years in school, followed by how close minded it is and how she cannot understand how someone can 'not believe in anything' and an ahteist must live such a boring and void life.
We took a little test to see if we were atheist, theist or agnostic. All those who were atheist got a lovely little lecture on how it is linked to depression and suicide.
It may not sound it, but this woman was lovely to talk to face to face, but get anything that doesn't reflect her own religious views and that's the beast she would become...
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You are telling us that a teacher screamed at you in front of the entire school when you were 8 or so.
You were not forced to do anything in anyway different to any other class you were given to learn. next you'll be saying you were beaten by the state school inquisition.... Get over it.
What a crock of you know what!
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It was a common occurance, and it was not some one time event when I was 8, there are periods within secondary school where a few would also attempt to humiliate you if you didn't pray...
What are you on about? I was forced to recite the prayer because otherwise I would recieve a punishment. How was I not forced to? Being a minor, should I have just stuck my ground, sure it would have gone futher and the teacher would have come off worse, but being so young I had no idea... or continue with their pathetic little practices to stop all of this hassle?
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Just to say, my school wasn't a christian school, most of this happened in the assemblies/RE/Tutor periods (mainly because my tutor through all of secondary school was the RE teacher...)
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What punishment?
You state that some some crazed adult is screaming at you, I highly doubt that. Where were your parents in all this?
The other teachers including the Head allowed the RE teacher to scream at you in front of the whole school....nah!
Also in secondary school, why did you not tell your Parents you were being bullied by a member of staff?....or are you exaggerating.
I think that you are purposely exaggerating things to further your own atheist agenda.
I was given homework regarding learning the Lords Prayer, I didn't bother, I got detention for not doing my homework. No different from if I didn't learn the dates of waterloo etc in History....I suspect the same is true of you....get over it.
I don't believe that RE should be compulsory, but most kids pay so little attention to it anyway that's largely irrelevant.
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I'm no longer an atheist. I was when I was younger.
The head teacher gave me, and others a row in front of the school when in primary school for not reciting.
In secondary school, it was being forced to recite it infront of the school during assembly, with others who didn't.
There was more than one ocassion when I was sent to the headmasters room and had a bollocking for not showing respect and being a pathetic little child about the whole thing (baring in mind, all I would say is I won't pray because I don't believe to my teacher)
The RE teacher events were always in the classroom (during tutor period and registration, because she was my tutor), and it was always her sending me to the headmaster.
I never told my parents because I didn't see a need to...'The headmaster shouted at me today for not praying, boho' I didn't care about it because I could see how pathetic they were acting even at a young age...I just took it on the chin and carried on. I did tell my parents when I was in primary, I do remember that, but ofcourse I had probably done something else to make it my fault!
This wasn't for lesson homework...It never did happen in lessons, I actually used to enjoy learning about Sikhism and Buddhism. And like I said, it wasn't bullying...it was a row from the teachers from not reciting the lords prayer during assemblies on a common occassion, I didn't think this as anything major. But now I'm older and hopefuly wiser it does turn me a bit sick thinking about how much they were trying to drill this practice into my head...
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But you are saying that children should not be brought up Atheist or Religious. Surely it is the parents right to choose how their child should be brought up? As part of that choice it may be to send them to a faith based school?
I'm no longer an atheist. I was when I was younger.
The head teacher gave me, and others a row in front of the school when in primary school for not reciting.
In secondary school, it was being forced to recite it infront of the school during assembly, with others who didn't.
There was more than one ocassion when I was sent to the headmasters room and had a bollocking for not showing respect and being a pathetic little child about the whole thing (baring in mind, all I would say is I won't pray because I don't believe to my teacher)
The RE teacher events were always in the classroom, and it was always her sending me to the headmaster.
I never told my parents because I didn't see a need to...'The headmaster shouted at me today for not praying, boho' I didn't care about it because I could see how pathetic they were acting even at a young age...I just took it on the chin and carried on. I did tell my parents when I was in primary, I do remember that, but ofcourse I had probably done something else to make it my fault!
Look, I'm not denigrating your beliefs, what I am saying is that school is not just about learning, it is also about discipline. RE classes required you to do something you didn't want to do (I hated Rugby and was sent to the Head numerous times because I refused to play, same thing was said, disrespecting my PE teacher and so on), you got punished not for refusing to believe, but for not following instructions in class.
It had nothing to do with the type of lesson and everything to do with you misbehaving.
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