460GTX / X2 5000 'BE'

ChrisGTL · 30 Dec 2010 at 20:36

Hey all,

Happy new year to you all!!!

I've just treated myself to a 460GTX (from a 8800GT Alpha Dog), I recently started playing BFBC2 and the 8800GT seemed to lack umph so went out and got a 460GTX (most likely a big mistake lol)

Anyhow, the 460GTX is worse than my old 8800GT on the one game I want to play......i've spent most of today trying different settings/drivers/walls to bang my head off but i'm getting nowhere fast.

One thing that i'm confuzzled about is if my CPU is or isnt bottlenecking my system for the 460GTX? I've overclocked my 5000BE to 3.2Ghz but its still only a dual core at the end of the day. Is this why my GPU usage and FPS are so low in BFBC2? i'm typicaly seeing 15-40fps (low settings and forced DX9) in game and GPU usage about 30%.

I got about 2000 3D marks on the 2011 program, which is about average for my CPU/GPU combo so I think the GFX card isn't dead/dying.

Any advice? Is it worth me trying the 265.90 Quadro drivers with the mod .inf file?

Cheers all,
Chris

Martini1991 · 30 Dec 2010 at 20:47

You're bottlenecked with your CPU mate/.

RaV · 30 Dec 2010 at 20:57

Try turning up the in-game settings not lowering them. This should force the 460 to do a bit more of the work

Martini1991 · 30 Dec 2010 at 20:57

RaV said:
Try turning up the in-game settings not lowering them. This should force the 460 to do a bit more of the work

It's not that.
Regardless he's going to be limited due to his CPU.

Uriel · 30 Dec 2010 at 21:15

Yup. I found that my X2 5000+ BE at 3.1 GHz was bottlenecking my HD4850 in a few games, mainly console ports.

Got myself the X2 5000+ 45nm and unlock it to quad when needed (needs a motherboard with ACC though and I got lucky with the unlock). Makes all the difference even at similar clock speeds.

Quad is the way to go I think.

ChrisGTL · 30 Dec 2010 at 21:20

Cheers for the replies...

You have confirmed what I didnt want to hear, I need to upgrade CPU which means I have to upgrade mobo too.

Next question is what CPU/Mobo to get? approx £200 budget?

Martini1991 · 30 Dec 2010 at 21:21

What motherboard have you got right now?

ChrisGTL · 30 Dec 2010 at 21:42

My current rig:-

Abit AN52
X2 5000+ Black Edition
4GB Corsair 800Mhz 4x CM2X1024-6400
460GTX
Audigy SE
Hyper 580w
Samsung 2232BW
Windows 7 64

arc@css · 30 Dec 2010 at 21:46

As mentioned sometimes forcing higher settings like more anti-aliasing can help to reduce the bottleneck though in your case you are playing online, so I expect the benefit to be minimal. Give it a try anyway.

ChrisGTL · 30 Dec 2010 at 21:50

arc@css said:
As mentioned sometimes forcing higher settings like more anti-aliasing can help to reduce the bottleneck though in your case you are playing online, so I expect the benefit to be minimal. Give it a try anyway.

I've tried, I set everything to high and it just kills my fps even more.

If I disable a CPU core via task manager my fps goes to 5-9fps, so im guessing my CPU is just doooomed!

Freddie1980 · 30 Dec 2010 at 21:55

ChrisGTL said:
My current rig:-

Abit AN52
X2 5000+ Black Edition
4GB Corsair 800Mhz 4x CM2X1024-6400
460GTX
Audigy SE
Hyper 580w
Samsung 2232BW
Windows 7 64

If I was you I would look at trying to source a decent 2nd hand AM2+ motherboard as good new ones are few and far between and getting and maybe getting a Athlon II X4 640 and overclock it.

Hagar · 30 Dec 2010 at 22:07

ChrisGTL said:
Cheers for the replies...

You have confirmed what I didnt want to hear, I need to upgrade CPU which means I have to upgrade mobo too.

Next question is what CPU/Mobo to get? approx £200 budget?

AMD Phenom II X4 Quad Core 955 Black Edition "125W Edition" 3.20GHz (Socket AM3) - Retail £105.74
(£89.99) £105.74
(£89.99)
Gigabyte GA-880GM-UD2H AMD 880G (Socket AM3) microATX DDR3 Motherboard Gigabyte GA-880GM-UD2H AMD 880G (Socket AM3) microATX DDR3 Motherboard £69.98
(£59.56) £69.98
(£59.56)
Corsair XMS3 4GB (2x2GB) DDR3 PC3-12800C9 1600MHz Dual Channel Kit (CMX4GX3M2A1600C9) Corsair XMS3 4GB (2x2GB) DDR3 PC3-12800C9 1600MHz Dual Channel Kit (CMX4GX3M2A1600C9) £39.99
(£34.03) £39.99
(£34.03)
Sub Total : £183.58
Shipping cost assumes delivery to UK Mainland with:
DPD Next Day Parcel
(This can be changed during checkout) Shipping : £9.00
VAT is being charged at 17.50% VAT : £33.70
Total : £226.28

You should get a 'discount' when you sell the older gear.

bru · 31 Dec 2010 at 11:33

today only Gigabyte GA-M68M-S2P GeForce 7025 (Socket AM3/AM2+) DDR2 microATX Motherboard [GA-M68M-S2P] and then your choice of cpu AMD Athlon II keep your existing memory and there you go nice little upgrade for just over a ton.

littlepuppy · 31 Dec 2010 at 11:40

Go for a sempron clock it to 4ghz and its just over 50!!

Emlyn_Dewar · 31 Dec 2010 at 12:12

Agree with "upgrade to AM2+ board" sentiments.
Used or a cheap new board with the lowest price quad could come in at about £100.

If you're going to be upgrading CPU though, I'd look at moving away from that Hiper 580w...
I still have a 580w modular going in another PC, but I wouldn't trust it with current components, especially your shiny new GTX460.

Search for Hiper 580w and have a look at the numer of failure/failing/rma threads.

bru · 31 Dec 2010 at 16:23

if your hiper 580w is still going strong after all this time it will be fine.

ChrisGTL · 31 Dec 2010 at 17:00

bru said:
today only Gigabyte GA-M68M-S2P GeForce 7025 (Socket AM3/AM2+) DDR2 microATX Motherboard [GA-M68M-S2P] and then your choice of cpu AMD Athlon II keep your existing memory and there you go nice little upgrade for just over a ton.

Only problem with that mobo is it only has 2 RAM slots. I have 4 sticks of 1GB........but it is a good price.

Can I use DDR2 in a DDR3 spec mobo?

ChrisGTL · 31 Dec 2010 at 17:05

littlepuppy said:
Go for a sempron clock it to 4ghz and its just over 50!!

I thought semprons were pretty poor? What difference would I see from a sempron to a non-sempron?

Emlyn_Dewar said:
Agree with "upgrade to AM2+ board" sentiments.
Used or a cheap new board with the lowest price quad could come in at about £100.

If you're going to be upgrading CPU though, I'd look at moving away from that Hiper 580w...
I still have a 580w modular going in another PC, but I wouldn't trust it with current components, especially your shiny new GTX460.
Search for Hiper 580w and have a look at the numer of failure/failing/rma threads.

I didn't realise there were problems with the Hiper PSU's. I've had mine a couple years now and it seems ok.......I take it the PSU can blow components once they start failing?

bru said:
if your hiper 580w is still going strong after all this time it will be fine.

I hope so (fingers crossed). I have a Tagan PSU lying about too, but I think thats only 480w.

I just want to make my PC more future proof, and be able to play BFBC2 without no rubbish fps during gun-fights.

Monkeynut · 1 Jan 2011 at 00:51

DDR2 will not work in a DDR3 motherboard. DDR3 is extremely cheap right now. I would not run such a rig on the Hiper power supply, they are extremely poor, there are some very good PSUs which people on this forum will be able to advise you on. The PSU can and most likely will damage parts if you allow it.

Happy New Year.

littlepuppy · 1 Jan 2011 at 10:51

ChrisGTL said:
I thought semprons were pretty poor? What difference would I see from a sempron to a non-sempron?

I didn't realise there were problems with the Hiper PSU's. I've had mine a couple years now and it seems ok.......I take it the PSU can blow components once they start failing?

I hope so (fingers crossed). I have a Tagan PSU lying about too, but I think thats only 480w.

I just want to make my PC more future proof, and be able to play BFBC2 without no rubbish fps during gun-fights.

I think sempron is fastest single core out there, i only suggested if you are on a really sight budget... Get a board with the 750 southbridge though, as most semprons unlock to athlon x2...