If China or Russia become militarily stronger than the west

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Just stumbled across some interesting stuff about Chinese and Russian stealth fighters with the potential to be superior in operation to the F35 let alone Typhoon.

How would you feel if the technolgical balance swung clearly the way of the Chinese and the Russians?

Would you feel secure in such a situation?

Do you think that once the Chinese catch up (overtake?) the west, the west will be able to hold it's own?

Apparently India are a technology partner with Russia.
 
Not going to happen, besides F22 is even more stealthy, and Typhoon can hold it's own against F35 more or less despite being more multi-role
 
If there was an real risk of Sino-Russian superiority then there would simply be another Arms Race.

As has been proven time and again authoritarianism/communism cannot compete with the West when the pressures on.
 
rypt said:
Not going to happen, besides F22 is even more stealthy, and Typhoon can hold it's own against F35 more or less despite being more multi-role
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'Apparantly' the F22 has air frame issues that mean they won't be able to use them for long and they haven't made many anyway.

The Typhoon is not stealthy enough, it will be shot down before it sees a threat.

The Chinese and Russian jets (it is said) are stealthier, fly higher for longer and can go faster for longer.

What happens if Chinese threat detection capability becomes or is better than the wests technology?
 
Castiel said:
If there was an real risk of Sino-Russian superiority then there would simply be another Arms Race.

As has been proven time and again authoritarianism/communism cannot compete with the West when the pressures on.
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China has the resources and the technology, the west has the technology but no resources (money).

But I take your point.
 
Russia not gonna happen they simply don't have the social or economic structure to do it without building it up through military means which would escalate with the rest of the world before they were ready... However the Chinese could be a different story.
 
No offence but if we go to war with russia or china it won't be fought with fighter planes.

Also considering how intertwined the American an Chinese economies are neither is going to want a cold war or any thing else..
 
^^ Longer version - that why we have nukes to stop them escalating it through advanced technology/bigger army in the first place.
 
Rroff said:
^^ Longer version - that why we have nukes to stop them escalating it through advanced technology/bigger army in the first place.
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hmm yes, but do we have to replace our 'nukes' what happens if 'they' develope a capability that will stop nukes?

What happens if they get nukes delivered before we do?

The Russians I can see may struggle, but the Chinese?

What happens if Russia or China sell planes to Iran or North Korea?
 
Slam62 said:
hmm yes, but do we have to replace our 'nukes' what happens if 'they' develope a capability that will stop nukes?
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same as what was planned in the cold war, fire more nukes and more decoys. (also better delivery systems)

What happens if they get nukes delivered before we do?
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then the submarines and any remaining silos left retaliate and screw them over too.

What happens if Russia or China sell planes to Iran or North Korea?
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You mean like we have/do?
 
but do you think anyone in the world would actually fire a nuclear weapon?

At the moment you are all assuming the Chinese or Russians won't achieve technical superiority. Do you really think that?

If the contest is over say, Iranian or Nigerian oil for instance, why use nukes?
 
Russia doesn't have the economy to compete and no longer has the infrastructure. China may do, but still lag behind at the moment in the technology stakes. However they are so heavily dependant on the West that it would be economic suicide for them to try anything.
 
Rroff said:
Russia not gonna happen they simply don't have the social or economic structure to do it without building it up through military means which would escalate with the rest of the world before they were ready... However the Chinese could be a different story.
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hmm article says

“Analysis of PAK-FA prototype airframe aerodynamic features shows a design which is superior to all Western equivalents, providing ‘extreme agility’, superior to that of the Su-35S, through much of the flight envelope. This is accomplished by the combined use of 3D thrust vector control of the engine nozzles, all moving tail surfaces, and refined aerodynamic design with relaxed directional static stability and careful mass distribution to control inertial effects. The PAK-FA is fitted with unusually robust high sink rate undercarriage, intended for STOL operations.
“The available evidence demonstrates at this time that a mature production PAK-FA design has the potential to compete with the F-22A Raptor in VLO performance from key aspects, and will outperform the F-22A Raptor aerodynamically and kinematically.
“Therefore, from a technological strategy perspective, the PAK-FA renders all legacy US fighter aircraft, and the F-35 Lightning II Joint Strike Fighter, strategically irrelevant and non-viable after the PAK-FA achieves IOC in 2015.

“Detailed strategic analysis indicates that the only viable strategic survival strategy now remaining for the United States is to terminate the Joint Strike Fighter program immediately, redirect freed funding to further develop the F-22 Raptor, and employ variants of the F-22 aircraft as the primary fighter aircraft for all United States and Allied TACAIR needs.”
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http://blogs.crikey.com.au/planetal...advice-from-the-pentagon-point-to-jsf-crisis/

admitedly dodgey article but there are others
 
Its one thing to have that tech, another to actually be able to mass produce it, put the infrastructure up to support it, etc. etc.

EDIT: Some of the stuff we have here in development the UK even is more advanced than the raptor (and I expect the US has more advanced stuff in development too) but we lack the will, motivation and resources to put it into play atleast at this time.
 
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Slam62 said:
but do you think anyone in the world would actually fire a nuclear weapon?

At the moment you are all assuming the Chinese or Russians won't achieve technical superiority. Do you really think that?

If the contest is over say, Iranian or Nigerian oil for instance, why use nukes?
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Forgetting the 2 dropped by the US in 1945?
 
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