amen to that, drives me up the wall, as do women who assume they can pull out the instant they touch their indicators
Multi car pile up on the motorway
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amen to that, drives me up the wall, as do women who assume they can pull out the instant they touch their indicators
Fox is perfectly right in his post, although a bit too personal. We don't see Tom drive every day so we can't call his driving although in this incedent it might have been mostly avoidable. It's easy to get caught up in the moment during the run to work and I'm sure we can all relate to it. Only when you have the inevitable accident can you really look back and think about it. How close is too close? We don't know how big the gap was and how capable the braking of the BMW was at the time, it could have skid and doubled the normal braking distance not to mention the roads are pretty naff at the moment. The highway code gives good guidelines on how far you should be away from the car in front but it doesn't cover you for every eventuality, it sounds like the Insignia decelerated very quickly and reaction time could have been slow.
When on the meets etc I'm sure most people drive beyond themselves with a bit of showing off. It always happens and we've witnessed a few incedents (Darryn & Fox being prominent of course) so it's not fair to judge someone just on those moments in my opinion but I've been there and done it myself so I can't talk (don't mention the bald tyres
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When on the meets etc I'm sure most people drive beyond themselves with a bit of showing off. It always happens and we've witnessed a few incedents (Darryn & Fox being prominent of course) so it's not fair to judge someone just on those moments in my opinion but I've been there and done it myself so I can't talk (don't mention the bald tyres
).Welcome to my world - its infuriating, but yes, thats what the cretins will do.
Think your reponse is extremely harsh fox, I'd imagine you have never driven close enough that if a car infront emergency stopped your would have been able to comfortably stop?
if your answer is yes i would call Bull****.
to the OP: hope all gets sorted, unfortunately it will affect your insurance which sucks, the vectra driver must have been in a right state. A real eye opener im sure you'll agree.
Multi car pileups are not fun, but atleast in that situation you are around people in same situation, makes things a bit more re-assuring.
Single car accidents suck for this ^^
if your answer is yes i would call Bull****.
to the OP: hope all gets sorted, unfortunately it will affect your insurance which sucks, the vectra driver must have been in a right state. A real eye opener im sure you'll agree.
Multi car pileups are not fun, but atleast in that situation you are around people in same situation, makes things a bit more re-assuring.
Single car accidents suck for this ^^
By his usual standards, erm,actually, no!
ive not taken Fox's response harshly as I know his opinions on my driving, as I did indeed drive like a bit of a knobber on occasions a few years ago which is what he is basing it on (ive not actually seen him for over 2 years?), and the end of the day rear ending a car is only ever the driver of the rear ender's fault so it's valid anyway.
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To be fair I didn't see him claiming that he's never done it, only observing that this was part of the reason for the crash and that frequently driving in a certain manner, can increase your chances of having such a crash.
Im not saying the OP is an angel amongst devils, but i think the situation is one we all have faced at some point (being at a distance where an emergency stop would cause a rear end collision).
Driving like a tool is not clever, and i dont condone it, but cut the bloke a little slack. You can see he accepts he was at fault, and after any accident all you ever think is, what if i had of done this... or that...
Its these types of experiences that make some people realise what needs to change in their driving style, I think thats the important point here.
Sometimes it takes these things to get some drivers off their high horse.
To be fair, how many people leave gaps accounting for emergency braking + reactions + 800kg roadblocks?
At least everyone still in one piece, amazed the Ka drove off that's absolutely despicable. Is there no honesty left in society?
At least everyone still in one piece, amazed the Ka drove off that's absolutely despicable. Is there no honesty left in society?
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Very true. Anyway, glad to hear the OP escaped relatively unharmed.
Is there any chance the KA didn't see you all? If it was on a bend or similar approacing someone doing 30mph at 70mph, well, you would cover the distance very quickly.
was probably just a woman, indicated, pulled out, then looked - infact the first step is normally optional too
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Thats not really my point - of course everyone has at times driven too close to the car in front. And if we'd had an accident it would be our fault.
rg-tom knows how he drives and he knows that some of us knows how he drives. He's a nice chap but he's overly aggresive in his driving style and several of us on here previously held the opinion that it was a case of 'when' he had a big accident rather than 'if'. Hopefully it will calm him down a lot, which is good.
My response was harsh I knew that, but it was harsh both because of what I know about his driving style and because of the amount of responses hoping he got 'compo' and hoping the Ka driver was found and so on and so forth.
The only person who is going to be getting 'compo' is the driver of the Insignia.
I hope everyone reads this thread and thinks 'Perhaps I'll take extra care on the Motorway if I'm driving at double the speed of the traffic on the adjacent lane'.
What about the poor garage owner? Lent rg-tom a car and now it's going to the scrapyard because rg-tom didn't keep his distance. If the garage is giving out E36 Compacts as loan cars I get the impression it's a small place
One thing im going to point out is that the adjacent lane hadnt been trundling along at 30, it was part of the chain of events almost, I noticed them slowing down significantly just as the Ka pulled out, 3-400 yards back people were still doing 50-55mph and having to adjust quickly. I have to admit i also probably had my reactions hindered by being distracted by people braking next to me quite harshly, all in all not an ideal situation
It is difficult to get an impression of an incident like that from text alone. What we do have though is a Mini with relatively light front end damage, an Insignia that hit a KA gently enough that it simply drove off and a 3 series with a seriously mangled front end and, from the description anyway, an Insignia driver who took a bit of a battering.
I don't think it really matters what condition the brakes were in as you locked them up, it wasn't as if they simply faded away, don't these 3 series compacts have ABS anyway? Tyres... maybe more rubber would have helped, who knows. I do know that I add in an extra element of caution when driving courtesy cars because they can be a bit of an unknown.
Anyway, hope you feel better soon and that the pain, swelling, bruising, whatever doesn't escalate.
I don't think it really matters what condition the brakes were in as you locked them up, it wasn't as if they simply faded away, don't these 3 series compacts have ABS anyway? Tyres... maybe more rubber would have helped, who knows. I do know that I add in an extra element of caution when driving courtesy cars because they can be a bit of an unknown.
Anyway, hope you feel better soon and that the pain, swelling, bruising, whatever doesn't escalate.
was wondering how long it would take for somebody to point out that if you followed highway code stopping distances they would be sufficient stop you even if a stationary object appeared in front of you.
I guess most people have read the Highway Code better than you
The HC advocates leaving a 2 second gap on faster roads such as motorways (double this in the wet) which is not enough to avoid a collision if the car front went from 70mph to stationary instantly. The point is that this is most unlikely to happen (impossible in fact) - 2 seconds is enough to absorb your reaction time and the difference in speeds if the car in front starts braking hard.
If a stationary object suddenly appears in front of you, then the gap you have left to the car in front is irrelevant...
it's down to what you're used to though, im not saying the car was unfit for purpose, im saying it reacted considerably different than I'm used to....
Not strictly true, the Insignia driver would not be at fault for hitting the Ka which suddenly swerved out in front of him.