Is this Motherboard compatible with this RAM?

The real compatibility issue is with the CPU (as that has the memory controller on it) - and that is only rated to 1333MHz. However this is with 4 modules. When running 2 modules you will be absolutely fine @ 1600MHz, so that kit will be A-OK.
 
The real compatibility issue is with the CPU (as that has the memory controller on it) - and that is only rated to 1333MHz. However this is with 4 modules. When running 2 modules you will be absolutely fine @ 1600MHz, so that kit will be A-OK.

Did you read my other posts to see which CPU I was planning on using? It's the i3. I'm glad you actually replied, I have noticed your posts and you certainly seem to know your stuff.

I am stuck between going for that Motherboard with the i3 or the athlon quad. I decided upon the i3 in the end only to see that the intel board wasn't supporting the 1600Mhz RAM. This made me slightly worried and favoured the AMD board again.

I realise that may not make much sense, I'm usually well punctuated but tonight I'm being a little lazy :)

Cheers for any advice Andi :)
 
If I use only two modules will the memory operate at 1600Mhz. I'm not upto speed on this new technology. No FSB, memory controllers on cpu instead of Northbridge etc.

Really need to brush up on this. In the meantime I would really like to get this system ordered and built up. Totally unsure which to go for, if the i3 works at 1600Mhz that's my choice. If not then the AMD is the winner for me.
 
Happy to help :)

As I mentioned above - the Intel CPUs aren't rated to run at 1600MHz, but they do it without any problem all the time, so I wouldn't worry. Interestingly, AMD Phenom II and Athlon II CPUs (where the memory controller is also on the CPU) are also oly rated to 1333MHz - again this doesn't stop people from consistently running two sticks of higher-speed RAM without any issues.

With this in mind I would buy a 1600MHz kit and try and run it at 1600MHz. In the unlikely event that it doesn't work, reduce the frequency or increase the voltage :)

Sorry, I didn't check your build thread (I just remembered that all s1156 CPUs are rated to use 1333MHz RAM), if you could post a link to the thread, i'd be happy to check it out. Or just tell me what you are building the PC to do, which parts you need and much do you want to spend - and I'll give you my opinion on what to go for (i'll try and back it up with some numbers).
 
Happy to help :)

As I mentioned above - the Intel CPUs aren't rated to run at 1600MHz, but they do it without any problem all the time, so I wouldn't worry. Interestingly, AMD Phenom II and Athlon II CPUs (where the memory controller is also on the CPU) are also oly rated to 1333MHz - again this doesn't stop people from consistently running two sticks of higher-speed RAM without any issues.

With this in mind I would buy a 1600MHz kit and try and run it at 1600MHz. In the unlikely event that it doesn't work, reduce the frequency or increase the voltage :)

Sorry, I didn't check your build thread (I just remembered that all s1156 CPUs are rated to use 1333MHz RAM), if you could post a link to the thread, i'd be happy to check it out. Or just tell me what you are building the PC to do, which parts you need and much do you want to spend - and I'll give you my opinion on what to go for (i'll try and back it up with some numbers).

Hi again, cheers for reply.

This is the build I have in mind. The PC is for my girlfriend who will be doing nothing special, but want's it to be snappy, will be doing the odd bit of gaming here and there, movies, photo editing etc. Dabbles in everything. The budget is around £350 for the tower alone.

According to crucials memory checker the amd board is capable of the 1600Mhz kits, but the Intel isn't. Why would they list that it's only compatible with 1333Mhz when it can run 1600Mhz like you said. I was thinking I would need to overclock the chip in order for the ram to run at it's rated speed. No?
 
I wouldn't worry too much about what the boards are rated to - with modern CPUs with integrated memory controllers, the motherboards don't really matter in terms of RAM speed limits.

For example on the gigabyte site for that H55 board it says :

Support for DDR3 2200+/1800/1600/1333/1066/800 MHz memory modules

The memory speed limit all down to the CPU and the memory controller in that.

To run 1600MHz RAM at stock speeds with an i3, you probably won't need to overclock the CPU (increase the BCLK). But by definition you will need to overclock the memory controller (that is on the CPU) as it will be running at a higher than rated speed. This isn't a big issue and is done all the time - just make sure you set the DRAM voltage, memory frequency and timings to the rated ones while in the BIOS.


You mention a budget of £350. Does that need to include all the kit in the tower and an OS?
 
I wouldn't worry too much about what the boards are rated to - with modern CPUs with integrated memory controllers, the motherboards don't really matter in terms of RAM speed limits.

For example on the gigabyte site for that H55 board it says :



The memory speed limit all down to the CPU and the memory controller in that.

To run 1600MHz RAM at stock speeds with an i3, you probably won't need to overclock the CPU (increase the BCLK). But by definition you will need to overclock the memory controller (that is on the CPU) as it will be running at a higher than rated speed. This isn't a big issue and is done all the time - just make sure you set the DRAM voltage, memory frequency and timings to the rated ones while in the BIOS.


You mention a budget of £350. Does that need to include all the kit in the tower and an OS?

She already has a copy of Windows 7, so no need to include that in price. Thank's for clearing that up. I will definitely go down the Intel route now. Be ordering on Monday morning. Thank's a bunch. If you wan't to take a look at the build and see what you think. It's on the link I provided in the last post.

I know you don't approve of the OCZ modular and recommend the Antec instead. But I really like the idea of it being Modular. It'll be plenty is terms of power for her and I have had a few OCZ products including there psu's and never had a hitch. It also seems to get good reviews.

Other than that I am very open to suggestions.
 
Ah - good stuff.

Based on the planned usage I would actually suggest going with an Athlon II X4. Core-for-core it is slower than the i3, but it's still a quick CPU and increasingly applications are making use of more cores. In applications that do make full use of quad cores - the X4 is a much faster CPU, and games are going this way too. Here is a peformance comparison.

Here is a spec based on the X4:
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I included a 5670 graphics card - which is fine for basic gaming. However, I would strongly suggest investigating the second-hand market - as you can get a GTX 260 or HD 4870 for this price.
 
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Ah - good stuff.

Based on the planned usage I would actually suggest going with an Athlon II X4. Core-for-core it is slower than the i3, but it's still a quick CPU and increasingly applications are making use of more cores. In applications that do make full use of quad cores - the X4 is a much faster CPU, and games are going this way too. Here is a peformance comparison.

Here is a spec based on the X4:
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I included a 5670 graphics card - which is fine for basic gaming. However, I would strongly suggest investigating the second-hand market - as you can get a GTX 260 or HD 4870 for this price.

Thank's for that. However I wouldn't really need the GFX card as the games would only be things like Sims and some rollercoaster thing she's on about. More into Mario than call of duty. Wouldn't reallt merit getting her an £80 card.

I spent hours stuck between the AMD and the Intel. I went with the Intel in the end as it is more powerful per core and I can't really see her utilising any 4 core programs. I have looked at the comparison chart and decided the Intel is definitely more suited to her needs. Personally I would go for the AMD, but for her, it's Intel.

Also, she really want's the 1TB drive. Want's to rip a lot of dvd's and tv series to hdd.

Again adament about the coolermaster case, due to the side window. I know, weird right? Likes flashy lights :rolleyes:

The original Mobo I picked is pretty much the best bang for buck board I can get if going down the Intel route.

However I am intrigued by the RAM. I used Geil ram in my dads pc build three years ago. Seemed pretty reliable, no faults. Then again I have also used Corsair in my rig and it's also rock solid. Sort of either or here. Any particular reason to go for the Geil over the Corsair other than price?
 
Ok, I know this is left field - but hear me out.

i5- sandy bridge.

I am thinking the 2.8GHz i5 2300 - this comparison shows how the i3 540 compares to the 2500K (the 2300 isn't available on the comparison tool yet, so please take the 2300's 15% lower clockspeed into consideration - but architecturally its the same chip).

Also, this CPU has a HD 2000 graphics core built in - this page shows how that performs.

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Admittedly £26 over budget, but it now has the coolermaster case, 1TB HDD and a SB quad core. Whats your thoughts?
 
Ok, I know this is left field - but hear me out.

i5- sandy bridge.

I am thinking the 2.8GHz i5 2300 - this comparison shows how the i3 540 compares to the 2500K (the 2300 isn't available on the comparison tool yet, so please take the 2300's 15% lower clockspeed into consideration - but architecturally its the same chip).

Also, this CPU has a HD 2000 graphics core built in - this page shows how that performs.

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Admittedly £26 over budget, but it now has the coolermaster case, 1TB HDD and a SB quad core. Whats your thoughts?

Definitely something to think about. £26 isn't a lot considering the jump I must say. However the Asrock board bothers me slightly. I've never been a huge fan of them. However after reading through it's features, japanese made etc. It does look a pretty decent board.

The question I am asking myself is, "Will she even utilise all that power" Then again. It will future proof the machine for the next 5 years for her needs easily.

Talk up this onboard graphics... again I feel a little silly, not knowing anything of the integrated gpu's on these new chips. My knowledge stops at Core 2's and DDR2.

Will the gpu on the cpu take the onboard gpu on the board... do they work in conjuction, is it just a controller? Not quite getting it to be honest. Could you some it up briefly for me please.

The idea of an i-5 definitely is tempting, especially if I go down the route of overclocking it in the future.

Again though, that board states it's only capable of 1333Mhz RAM, I know you mentioned the memory controller is on the cpu and that is the only factor, but with this stating it's a sandy bridge board, surely they wouldn't list it's compatibility with 1333Mhz if the cpu was the deciding factor. I'm not questioning your judgement... just confused big time on this one.

Thank's again. I noticed you skrimped on the dvd drive to save 4 quid and get it closer to budget haha... nice touch :)

Look forward to your response.

Edit: Just realised the H67 chipset rules out overclocking as an option... this is a shame. Sort of feels a waste on such a potentially great chip that's screaming to be overclocked with the new unlocked multiplier. I realise it's probably not necessary for her needs. I'm really on the fence.
 
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Edit: Just realised the H67 chipset rules out overclocking as an option... this is a shame. Sort of feels a waste on such a potentially great chip that's screaming to be overclocked with the new unlocked multiplier. I realise it's probably not necessary for her needs. I'm really on the fence.

That CPU isnt unlocked though so even with a decent board you wont get the amazing overclocks. You'd need a 2500K for that, and they are a lot more expensive.
 
Definitely something to think about. £26 isn't a lot considering the jump I must say. However the Asrock board bothers me slightly. I've never been a huge fan of them. However after reading through it's features, japanese made etc. It does look a pretty decent board.

I wouldn't worry about the asrock board - they actually make pretty good boards and this new one seems to be no exception.

If you want to go for something by one of the main brands then this ASUS is £15 more - and for that money you don't get much more than the name.


The question I am asking myself is, "Will she even utilise all that power" Then again. It will future proof the machine for the next 5 years for her needs easily.

That was my thinking too - a CPU like a sandy bridge quad is so powerful that it should deal with tasks for years before it needs an upgrade.

Will the gpu on the cpu take the onboard gpu on the board... do they work in conjuction, is it just a controller? Not quite getting it to be honest. Could you some it up briefly for me please.

The way these modern Intel CPU/boards work is that the graphics chip is only on the CPU (no graphic chip on the board at all) - the motherboard just accesses this and allows it to work.

You can also plug in a discrete graphics card into the board (at some point in the future perhaps) and this will automatically disable the onboard graphics chip - so the discrete graphics card becomes the primary graphics processor.

Talk up this onboard graphics... again I feel a little silly, not knowing anything of the integrated gpu's on these new chips. My knowledge stops at Core 2's and DDR2.

Well with modern mainstream Intel CPUs, both the previous gen s1156 nahalem i3/i5s and sandy bridge s1155 CPUs come with both a CPU die and a GPU die on the chip. These GPUs are intel HD and not particularly powerful compared to proper graphics cards - but if you don't do much gaming then they are ideal as they come free with the CPU. The i5 2300 has a graphics processor of comparable speed to the chip on the top-end nahalem i5s, which is a bit faster than the one on the i3 540.

If you look at this page the sandy bridge i3 2100 is using the same HD 2000 graphics processor as the i5 2300 - so you can get an idea of how this CPU will perform in a range of games. Also, that review shows the performance of the 890GX - the top-end AMD integrated graphics, which the HD 2000 tends to either match or beat. Therefore cheaper AMD integrated graphics (eg. 740G, 760G, 880G) can be expected to perform worse than this.

It is also more than powerful enough to decode 1080p video, which is always nice.

Also, if she does any video transcoding with H.264 then the new Intel Quick Sync Technology offered by the sandy bridge CPU is very powerful, have a look at this review.

The idea of an i-5 definitely is tempting, especially if I go down the route of overclocking it in the future.

Unfortunately the H67 chipset does not support overclocking. To do this you need a P67 board - but these don't support the integrated graphics, so you need to buy a discrete graphics card. Anyway, the i5 2300 is not an unlocked CPU - so you can't overclock it very far even on a P67 board.

Again though, that board states it's only capable of 1333Mhz RAM, I know you mentioned the memory controller is on the cpu and that is the only factor, but with this stating it's a sandy bridge board, surely they wouldn't list it's compatibility with 1333Mhz if the cpu was the deciding factor. I'm not questioning your judgement... just confused big time on this one.

Even the sandy bridge CPUs are rated to only 1333MHz memory. However, this does not mean this is the limit - as before.

Again, I would suggest buying the cheap 1600MHz RAM and run it at stock speeds. This will overclock the memory controller slightly - but the H67 can do this.


Thank's again. I noticed you skrimped on the dvd drive to save 4 quid and get it closer to budget haha... nice touch

Indeed I did - you could change that back to a Samsung for £5, but the OCUK one is a perfectly good drive.

Edit: Just realised the H67 chipset rules out overclocking as an option... this is a shame. Sort of feels a waste on such a potentially great chip that's screaming to be overclocked with the new unlocked multiplier. I realise it's probably not necessary for her needs. I'm really on the fence.

Indeed - as I mentioned above.

However, bear this in mind: Even when not overclocked the i5 2300 will perform better than the mighty i7 920 (as it is clocked higher and performs ~15% faster clock-for-clock). So it is significantly faster than an i3 540 or an Athlon II X4.
 
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I wouldn't worry about the asrock board - they actually make pretty good boards and this new one seems to be no exception.

If you want to go for something by one of the main brands then this ASUS is £15 more - and for that money you don't get much more than the name.




That was my thinking too - a CPU like a sandy bridge quad is so powerful that it should deal with tasks for years before it needs an upgrade.



The way these modern Intel CPU/boards work is that the graphics chip is only on the CPU (no graphic chip on the board at all) - the motherboard just accesses this and allows it to work.

You can also plug in a discrete graphics card into the board (at some point in the future perhaps) and this will automatically disable the onboard graphics chip - so the discrete graphics card becomes the primary graphics processor.



Well with modern mainstream Intel CPUs, both the previous gen s1156 nahalem i3/i5s and sandy bridge s1155 CPUs come with both a CPU die and a GPU die on the chip. These GPUs are intel HD and not particularly powerful compared to proper graphics cards - but if you don't do much gaming then they are ideal as they come free with the CPU. The i5 2300 has a graphics processor of comparable speed to the chip on the top-end nahalem i5s, which is a bit faster than the one on the i3 540.

If you look at this page the sandy bridge i3 2100 is using the same HD 2000 graphics processor as the i5 2300 - so you can get an idea of how this CPU will perform in a range of games. Also, that review shows the performance of the 890GX - the top-end AMD integrated graphics, which the HD 2000 tends to either match or beat. Therefore cheaper AMD integrated graphics (eg. 740G, 760G, 880G) can be expected to perform worse than this.

It is also more than powerful enough to decode 1080p video, which is always nice.

Also, if she does any video transcoding with H.264 then the new Intel Quick Sync Technology offered by the sandy bridge CPU is very powerful, have a look at this review.



Unfortunately the H67 chipset does not support overclocking. To do this you need a P67 board - but these don't support the integrated graphics, so you need to buy a discrete graphics card. Anyway, the i5 2300 is not an unlocked CPU - so you can't overclock it very far even on a P67 board.



Even the sandy bridge CPUs are rated to only 1333MHz memory. However, this does not mean this is the limit - as before.

Again, I would suggest buying the cheap 1600MHz RAM and run it at stock speeds. This will overclock the memory controller slightly - but the H67 can do this.




Indeed I did - you could change that back to a Samsung for £5, but the OCUK one is a perfectly good drive.



Indeed - as I mentioned above.

However, bear this in mind: Even when not overclocked the i5 2300 will perform better than the mighty i7 920 (as it is clocked higher and performs ~15% faster clock-for-clock). So it is significantly faster than an i3 540 or an Athlon II X4.

OK OK! You have convinced me haha. I will go down the route of sandy bridge. I will obviously have to sacrifice the Modular PSU and some other things. Of course though the CPU is a lot more important to performance than a PSU.

Cheers again Andy. If I have any more doubts or questions I hope it's alright to ask away.

Once again, Thank's :)
 
Change of plan. She likes the idea of Sandybridge but doesn't want to sacrifice the other things. Is going to wait untill next week when she get's paid, and get it including the original parts.

Everyones's happy, including me who won't need to sub her the remains.
 
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