Kid Shoots Himslef With Uzi At Gun Fair.

Hikari Kisugi said:
Strange, i thought that uzi's and other handheld automatic machine weapons were not permitted for ownership within the US.
Guess I am wrong on that count given this story.
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There's some circumstances under which civilians can own fully automatic weapons, but it's sufficiently rare that I doubt they'd be for sale at a gun show. I'm sure you must be able to go to places and fire fully automatic weapons in controlled conditions, though.

EDIT: Looks like semi-auto weapons in the video, so that's not the issue. The issue is whether such a young child should have been firing the weapon. I don't know the laws on that.

I'm also pretty sure that you can own all the automatic weapons you like, so long as they can't actually fire on full auto. Some rifles are sold with different fire selector configurations - the army version might do 1, 3 and full, while the civilian version will only do 1. I don't know if Uzi make civilian versions of their weapons, but it's possible.

EDIT: It turns out Uzi do make semi-auto weapons for civilian use. Wiki link.
 
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trigger-happy said:
I'm honestly angered about America completely. A kid kills himself with an Uzi at a gun fair. I'm speechless. How can the American law permit a minor from handling a weapon?
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It was a failure of individuals' responsibility. A first thought of asking where the government tentacles were bothers me :p
 
Just reading an article about it and I didn't realise until now that the person supervising the weapon was only 15yrs old , seems a bit of a young age for such a responsible job
 
vonhelmet said:
EDIT: Looks like semi-auto weapons in the video, so that's not the issue. The issue is whether such a young child should have been firing the weapon. I don't know the laws on that.
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It's automatic, not semi. That's how the whole event happened, as the gun pitches up it is still firing, which is what caused the death.
 
i know england isn't that great but you can always depend on americans to reinforce the fact that we will always be greater than them :D
 
No idea why a parent would let a kids loose with a deadly weapon. I dont have a problem with gun ownership but it must go hand in hand with education and responsibilitie.
 
Allow ordinary people to own guns and you're likely to end up with crap like this. It's not really a surprise in a nation where they take self-defense a little too far.
 
platinum87 said:
Thats too much even for me, the kid was doing something stupid, but he is a kid.
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Put my comment down to a knee jerk brain fart, daft I know and I feel a **** for it :(.

Looking further into this tragic accident with more detail a Micro-Uzi is a handful for a grown man let alone a child, lots of recoil and rapid fire rate. The owner of that fire arm should have known better, the range officer should have recognized this, and the father should have asked more questions.

IF YOU'RE NOT SURE HOW A FIREARM WORKS BEFORE YOU USE IT, ASK OR PUT IT DOWN!
 
Geez, my dad was hesitant about me firing a 38 Super and a shotgun at 15 while on holiday in the Caribbean. I would not place much blame on the event people, the dad was just stupid imo.
 
The video in the court does state tho that he signed the paperwork to let hit child to do it and was within 10ft of him doing it cant see the guy who orginized the event taking full blame for it
 
And the father also a doctor (emergency room doctor)...

You would have thought someone in that postion would have know better...
 
From the video it looks pretty clear that the child was supervised by, from the fathers perspective, a trained gun range staff member. He would have expected the exercise to be fairly safe.

Its not really different from this country when we go out hunting. Small kids often come along and sometimes use low powered rifles, equally capable of killing someone.

Yes it was bad judgment not to step in when the weapon was changed to a micro-uzi. but it also happens so fast. In my opinion the range should have its licence revoked but the cop who sponsored the event should not be charged with manslaughter.

A tragedy for sure but mistakes happen. these fairs happen all over the states, this is the first time i have ever heard anyone being killed.
 
my goodness, the amount of disinformation in this thread is staggering.

this was not a child "let loose" with an automatic weapon to run around with as he pleases.
this is a controlled environment at a Gun-range (very much akin to those in Las Vegas that are so popular in GD) where people can pay money to have a blast with restricted weapons under the watchful eye of someone who knows what they're doing.

in this instance, blame lies (from what i can tell) with the person responsible for the session that the father & child were having, who should have either coached the kid better or decided that the weapon would be too much for the little one and given him something safer.

^TANK^ said:
Looking further into this tragic accident with more detail a Micro-Uzi is a handful for a grown man let alone a child, lots of recoil and rapid fire rate. The owner of that fire arm should have known better, the range officer should have recognized this, and the father should have asked more questions.

IF YOU'RE NOT SURE HOW A FIREARM WORKS BEFORE YOU USE IT, ASK OR PUT IT DOWN!
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This is pretty much correct. the range officer is legally responsible and should have intervened.

secondly, owning fully-automatic weapons in the united states is not "illegal" and so on,
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vonhelmet said:
There's some circumstances under which civilians can own fully automatic weapons, but it's sufficiently rare that I doubt they'd be for sale at a gun show. I'm sure you must be able to go to places and fire fully automatic weapons in controlled conditions, though.

EDIT: Looks like semi-auto weapons in the video, so that's not the issue. The issue is whether such a young child should have been firing the weapon. I don't know the laws on that.

I'm also pretty sure that you can own all the automatic weapons you like, so long as they can't actually fire on full auto. Some rifles are sold with different fire selector configurations - the army version might do 1, 3 and full, while the civilian version will only do 1. I don't know if Uzi make civilian versions of their weapons, but it's possible.

EDIT: It turns out Uzi do make semi-auto weapons for civilian use. Wiki link.
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is all nonsense. in America, you can purchase a fully-automatic weapon freely if it was manufactured/imported before the Firearm Owners Protection Act, with it's Machine-Gun-Ban of May-19th, 1986. these weapons are known as "pre-ban" and command incredibly high prices. (such as up to $20,000 for an M16, compared to $1000 for law enforcement to buy one direct from the manufacturer)

otherwise, acquiring an in-country restricted wepon simply involves a full background check, a few forms (you need to register the firearm fully with the ATF and so on) and you need to pay a $200 tax stamp, this takes between one to three months. these are federal restrictions, local state laws may apply.

The ATF has quite specific rules on what legally constitutes a machine gun or not. the very vast majority of firearms manufactured in the united states are not "machine guns" and cannot be easily converted to be either.

Importing is quite a bit more complex and is quite rare.
 
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