bankers bonuses

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ok so i know nothing about economics (as pointed out to me by another poster in another thread) but have we learnt nothing from a few years ago and bankers taking bonuses in the face of our economic crisis?
RBS is still the majority owned by the tax payer is it not? why are they giving out bonuses of just under a billion?

http://www.sharecast.com/cgi-bin/sharecast/story.cgi?story_id=3961708

are the bankers simply laughing at us? i don't have a major problem with bankers getting a bonus, i do have a problem with the figures they are talking about! just seems ridiculous to me.
 
are the bankers simply laughing at us? i don't have a major problem with bankers getting a bonus, i do have a problem with the figures they are talking about! just seems ridiculous to me.

Sadly its very simple. Unless there is a worldwide restriction placed on them there is little anyone can do for the simple reason that if you put a restriction on bonuses in the EU being say no greater than 500k a year, they'll just hop off to Singapore or New York etc.

That in turn leaves EU banks at a disadvantage compared to everyone else as they cant compete financially and therefore wont make as much money for shareholders causing the stock price to plummet.

I don't like the fact that millions won't even get a payrise to meet inflation this year and that some will be getting millions of pounds they honestly don't need. However you have to look at both sides of the coin.
 
Most bankers would have their bonuses written into their contract I imagine. Achieve x% growth and get y as a bonus. If the bank won't pay a bonus then I can see the employees who are making them money moving to a bank that will pay out.
 
Most bankers would have their bonuses written into their contract I imagine. Achieve x% growth and get y as a bonus. If the bank won't pay a bonus then I can see the employees who are making them money moving to a bank that will pay out.
I think this is the key point (warning: I know only little about economics myself).

It seems banks have to pay these sorts of bonuses to be competitive lest they lose their talent to other banks elsewhere or abroad that will.

Doesn't make it less galling really, but I don't think it's as simple as "they're laughing at us".
 
The initial reaction is to say "omg - stop the bonuses.... make them pay loads of tax", but as much as they earn, remember 50% is paid in tax. If you tax them too much, they'll move country and we'll lose more in the long run.

The people to blame aren't the bankers who are making the money, it's the people who drew up their contracts basically encouraging profit no matter what the risk.

If someone joins a bank and turns them from a lose making company into a £10bn profit company, if they were paid £5bn in bonuses... is it fair? I'd say so.
 
ok so i know nothing about economics (as pointed out to me by another poster in another thread) but have we learnt nothing from a few years ago and bankers taking bonuses in the face of our economic crisis?
RBS is still the majority owned by the tax payer is it not? why are they giving out bonuses of just under a billion?

http://www.sharecast.com/cgi-bin/sharecast/story.cgi?story_id=3961708

are the bankers simply laughing at us? i don't have a major problem with bankers getting a bonus, i do have a problem with the figures they are talking about! just seems ridiculous to me.

it's i nthier contract though.

How would you feel if come payday your bos said "yeah sorry but we're halving your pay" You'd be on here finding out how to take them to court.
 
AS said many many many times, people who make the bank a profit, get bonuses, if they didn't they wouldn't take jobs there, nor would any good bankers, meaning those they did employ would likely be worse, make worse decisions and make less money, or larger losses.

Remember not all banks and not all bankers made a loss in the economic crisis(ruddy hell, its hard not to type Crysis these days :p ). Remember a bank could loss 40billion while the investment arm of the bank make a 10 billion profit, if you deny the billion in bonuses and all the good bankers leave, the next year the bank could make a 60billion loss with the investment arm making a 10billion loss but no one pays out 1billion in bonuses.

Is it worth saving 1 billion in bonuses, to loss 10 billion in profits? No, its not, its cutting off your nose to spite your face.

ITs "labour" thinking, they lie to everyone telling you how evil the big greedy rich people are, while throwing away business, profit, money, taxes and jobs.

Its the same way Labour over tax the rich, take say a footballer as an example. He can get 100k a week here, and used to pay 40k in taxes, and say he could work in Spain and pay 40k a week in taxes also. You raise the tax to 50% and in theory you're increasing tax income by 10k a week, great, but because that footballer is now making less money, he's MORE likely to move to Spain, which means rather than gaining 10k in tax a week, we actually lose his 40k a week when he goes to Spain, and Spain by not being greedy, gain 40k a week in taxes by charging LESS tax and encouraging the footballer to move there.

Lower taxes ENCOURAGE more jobs, and business and profit which INCREASES tax income, its the same anywhere you look, denying bonuses, and increasing taxes has for decades now decreased jobs, sent businesses packing to other cheaper countries, and decreased tax income.

Bankers deserve their bonuses, not least because the banks employed this people with bonuses in their contracts.

Now should banks be more careful with bonuses, should the contracts be more specific about what triggers the bonuses, should people not get them if they suck balls and lose a lot of money, yes. Should bonuses be removed, no, you'd just be losing billions in the long run for a VERY VERY short term very very small gain.
 
If someone joins a bank and turns them from a lose making company into a £10bn profit company, if they were paid £5bn in bonuses... is it fair? I'd say so.

One person won't have made that much of a difference. The one thing that the people in the City of London are undoubtedly the best in the world at is blowing their own trumpet, don't believe it.
 
Welcome to Capitalism.

Don't like it go live in North Korea as even the Chinese are in on it now...

Serious question: London is one of the major financial centres of the world, what do you think would happen to the UK if we (and only we) added large levies/taxes to the banks?

Oh and not all banks got bailed out and some such as HSBC had no real involvement at all with the toxic assets. Yet all banks are bad? Hmmm
 
in this bailout didn't the government get a massive amount of stock?

and as such are going to be paid back in full and then some if they hold onto it?

Remember next time you start ranting about how it's all the shareholders faults, you're now a major shareholder :p
 
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