war crimes

I'm not sure why a hand full of people represent an entire nation.

It's like saying Britain is just a bunch of rapers because of a bunch of guys in prison.

What they did was atrocious but it shouldn't change your opinion of an entire nation.

Although using the nuclear bomb was a bit much, it killed off a lot more civilians than soldiers. People that had nothing to do with the war and probably didn't care for it.

Edit - And to add, every single country has had a man and woman perform an atrocity by a superior several of times. War crimes are a way of pointing fingers and saying "they're worse than us."
 
cheets64 said:
War crimes are pointless, the war is over, 100s 100s 10,000s 100,000s 1,000,000s Dead

They remind me of the mafia trails, banging up peopel that made millions, killed a lot of people, to please the living, show of force, bullet to the head, job done.

Konoe Suicide
Hilter Suicide
Mussolini Murdered

Churchill stroke age 90
Stalin died in his sleep in his 70s
Roosevelt ill still took on the japs and Nazis 63 years old

War crimes just get the cowards.
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You are putting Stalin with Churchill and Roosevelt? Stalin was probably worse than Hitler
 
platinum87 said:
You are putting Stalin with Churchill and Roosevelt? Stalin was probably worse than Hitler
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Last time I looked Stalin defeated Nazi Germany on the eastern front, Hitler and Stalin had a deal, arms, resoruces etc. Hitler blew it and took on Russia, sucks for him, in it to win it, what he does on his own patch is Russia problem, No?


My granddad was POW in Singapore while serving in the army, he was all over the world and got posted in Singapore, came home worked down the mines, retired, lived into his 70s, everybody in war wants to get back home, safe and sound and quick
 
cheets64 said:
Last time I looked Stalin defeated Nazi Germany on the eastern front, Hitler and Stalin had a deal, arms, resoruces etc. Hitler blew it and took on Russia, sucks for him, in it to win it, what he does on his own patch is Russia problem, No?
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He successfully defended his homeland, like anyone would try to do. That does not automatically make him any better than Hitler in terms of war crimes commited.

I'm not very well educated on what war crimes Stalin did commit, but I remember hearing of some quite bad ones.
 
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EdGey said:
I'm not very well educated on what war crimes Stalin did commit, but I remember hearing of some quite bad ones.
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Russian war crimes were very bad and pretty common but they were never quite on a par with an attempt to clense Europe of Jews.

It's funny how everyone condems the crimes of the enemy yet even on this very forum we celebrate those of the victors. Easy Company are remembered as heros despite the crimes of some of the members.
 
Russia ww2 arguably killed more POW and civillians than hitlers Germany did.

But we were afraid of them and had no appetite to go after them due to the size and feroccity of their post ww2 army.
 
Johno please? said:
Not really true though.

The Taliban are not freedom fighters, there are also plenty of Afgans that fight against the Taliban.
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Also its not really true because in a country with a life expectancy of 44 and 1 million dead at the end of the soviet war, I doubt many of the people fighting now had any role in the 80's war, (especially the non afgan insurgents)
 
It will always leave a nasty taste that Nazi war ciminals were pursued while the likes of Stalin got off free as a bird after being responsible for the execution of millions.

There are also the likes of Albert Speer, the so called ' good Nazi ' who duped everyone into thinking he was not aware of the Holocaust. It wasn't until private correspondence was discovered that this denial was exposed although he did serve 20 years at Spandau.
 
a1ex2001 said:
Easy Company are remembered as heros despite the crimes of some of the members.
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Exactly, because they won. Yet then they get up in arms about the malmaedy massacre because they got a dose of their own medicine.

Von Smallhausen said:
There are also the likes of Albert Speer, the so called ' good Nazi ' who duped everyone into thinking he was not aware of the Holocaust. It wasn't until private correspondence was discovered that this denial was exposed although he did serve 20 years at Spandau.
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I watched that documentary on him recently, amazing how much money he made post war as the good nazi to be found out to be a liar after his death.
 
cm1179 said:
great input^

'' the Rwandan Genocide of 1994 saw the killing of 850,000 in around 100 days''
:( unbelievable to know this was so recent
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It really is harrowing to think. People think that we've come along way since WWII but it's just not true. The scale and efficiency of the Rwandan Genocide is just incomprehensible. People weren't rounded up and sent to camps to be gassed, they were stopped on the street, their feet were measured, noses were measured, height checked and if they failed then they would be hacked to pieces with machetes. During the event, the UN sat back and did nothing because of an unwillingness to get involved by France and the US in particular.
There were UN troops stationed in Rwanda, but they weren't allowed to do anything even after witnessing atrocities.
 
dannyjo22 said:
I watched that documentary on him recently, amazing how much money he made post war as the good nazi to be found out to be a liar after his death.
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Indeed.

Speer was present at the Posen Conference of 1943 where Himmler made his speech regarding the Final Solution and addressed Speer directly although Speer claimed at Nuremberg that he left prior to that speech which was falsely confirmed by Walter Rohland ( German industrialist linked to tank production ).

It wasn't until private correspondence was discovered and published in the 1970s that Speer was indeed present at the conference and knew of Himmler's plans to exterminate Europe's Jews in huge numbers.

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There is no doubt - I was present as Himmler announced on October 6 1943 that all Jews would be killed...Who would believe me that I suppressed this, that it would have been easier to have written all of this in my memoirs?
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Shameful is not the word.
 
What this all goes to show I think is the Western centric focus of history. The events during WW2 between Nationalist China and Japan are rarely mentioned, the creation problems of Bangladesh are never mentioned at all (another hidden recent atrocity), Rwanda, Congo, the actions of the Russia troops not just in what was to become Eastern Germany but Poland and the Baltic states (on the advance the Germans were looked upon as liberators by Western located Russian people until they stupidly used political troops), Communist China vs Nationalist China, Mao's use of Chinese troops to aid North Korea (actually anything Mao did tbh), Cambodia, etc etc.

These things are hidden from us and abhorrent as the holocaust was its weight carries far more leverage than all the other things that have gone on in this world and then when a conflict comes closer to home eg the break up Yugoslavia then this suddenly get noticed more and acted upon. History is truly written by the victors about the areas (both culturally and geographically) that they perceived to be relevant.
 
Afghans can't be pacified, the whole country is just an area of land and not what anyone could call an actual country, its like this due to the way people are who live there, tribal and insular with loyalty people in other coutries would show to their nation only shown to the tribe, tribal associations are only of convienience through marriage, financial deals and mutual protection form other tribes or groups. The arrangements fall down for the most simple reasons and can never be relied on.
 
As for war crimes, some greater than others, happen on all sides, always will so long as there is a war unbalanced people will be in the military, or become unbalanced due to the military and things they have to see and do or are directed to do, then the crime will be commited.
 
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