Better fill those tanks -Fuel protests are coming back!

[DAIR]

Only 37% of the forecourt cost of fuel is the actual fuel, the rest is tax, that is what people are protesting about.

I know this.

This type of action will only increase demand.... The price will then increase.

And how long will the protest last..... A week or so. then everyone will start suckl'n at BP's tit again.

People need to get serious and be prepared to protest for months. This will be long enough to worry both the government and oil companies!

 

[EddScott]

Milford Haven – Milford Haven Dyfed SA73 3JD,

Which is in fact in the middle of Milford high street


Be hilarious if they go to the wrong place and protest outside the LNG plant


Not saying I don't agree, I do. Its just there are an awful lot of pipes, tanks, and a skyline that looks like the opening scene of Blade Runner round these parts its easy to get them mixed up.

 

[Mucky_Pup]

Only 37% of the forecourt cost of fuel is the actual fuel, the rest is tax, that is what people are protesting about.

Change the record already, everyone knows this, but how is stopping me, and everyone else on their commute to work going to achieve anything?

 

[Simon]

- Not this again, i wish people would GET A CLUE, 80% of the general public are total morons.

Yeah but BPs profits is all from Mars Bars!

 

[Fr0dders]

I have just received an email suggesting a boycott of the two biggest petrol companies, Esso & BP. No "direct action" at refineries, the government are wise to that one, it means taking time off work (and costly travelling) and the knock-on impact to the nation as whole is a negative side-effect which out-weighs the message.
"Attacking" the big petrol companies where it hurts - their profits, their shareholders dividends, their managers' bonuses - has got to be a more sensible approach, and it can be carried on for weeks, month, years...!
The market is full of alternative suppliers,so send a message to the big companies by taking your money elsewhere.
Remember, when the people talk, the government ignores them but when big business talks, the Government listens.

what the **** does that have to do with the fact that the taxes on petrol went up by 4p a litre this year alone ? its not even February yet.

The actual ammount of fuel duty as an all time high. Thats the reason petrol prices are high, not BP making large profits.

 

[Firestar_3x]

Yeah but BPs profits is all from Mars Bars!

Mars Bars you say? Clearly i need to get my contract amended, BP don't pay me in Mars Bars at all!

 

[OpenToSuggestions]

I do not want the fuel duty to decrease, as if it does the middle class will be paying for it via an income tax increase, whilst the poor (as per usual) complain that it is themselves who are the worst off.
I would like fuel duty to decrease, but then the money will be grabbed somewhere else. Perhaps putting a tax on food or some other essential? Either way, we won't and can't win.

I laugh at those buying a road-tax free car, as if we all do that then they will just drop the emissions bracket to something lower, say 80g/km.

 

[[TW]Fox]

The rising cost of crude, partly due to speculation and partly down to the government’s need to raise tax whilst being green,

Can you please explain how the UK governments need to raise tax is responsible for the current increase in world crude prices?

Or can you simply confirm you don't really understand the root issues here?

 

[Lum]

There's too many cars on the road anyway IMO, so better get those off the road who don't need to be.

Ahh yes, clearly poor people don't need to be on the road, only rich people do. Dem dirty poors clogging up my roads.

If you don't like it try to find work closer to home or use another form of transport, otherwise you have to pay.

Because it's so easy to find work right now.

Every time we have moved to be closer to work, one of us has ended up being made redundant and we end up commuting again. If you work in any kind of vaguely specialised field this is just how it goes. Currently we're living up in the Valleys (close to where my Mrs worked in 2007), I commute to a business park on the outskirts of Cardiff (inaccessible by public transport) and the Mrs commutes to Gloucester which would take twice as long as you have to go to Cardiff first.

By your argument, my GF should resign and look for work in Wales (hint: there isn't any in her field right now) or I should resign and we move to Gloucester, and hope that her job lasts.

 

[Dead Dog]

well it would be nice prices are proper daft atm, and i've forwarded around that keep petrol below £1 thing on FB.
I'll not hold my breath, they have us by the balls

 

[Janesy B]

LOL THE OIL COMPANIES R ALL TO BLAME COS THEY IS MAKKING ALL THE MONEY. WE WANT THEM TO DROP THE PRICE TO £1 OR I'LL LIKE STOP BUYING PETROL OR SOMETHING LOL.

 

[[TW]Fox]

We need to move away from a society where everyone works a large distance from where they live. It wasn't like this in the past - people worked and lived locally - and it is unsustainable for this to happen in the future.

I know this view isnt popular but it will be the reality - 100+ mile a day commutes are unsustainable and will be very rare in the future.

Seriously, living in the Welsh valleys and working in Gloucester? I appreciate the problems involved in finding work but the time is fast approaching where people in a situation like that need to think about whether a new field or a new area to live in is the answer becuase it's becoming increasingly clear that driving across the country every day isn't the answer.

Fuel prices are never going to go down, they are only ever going to get more expensive.

Also, surely being made redundant all the time is the exception rather the norm?

 

[Andr3w]

We need to move away from a society where everyone works a large distance from where they live. It wasn't like this in the past - people worked and lived locally - and it is unsustainable for this to happen in the future.

That would be perfect, but there isn't enough money working in your local village.

Places are that huge these days you need to drive

 

[Lum]

We need to move away from a society where everyone works a large distance from where they live. It wasn't like this in the past - people worked and lived locally - and it is unsustainable for this to happen in the future.

Short of returning to a society that is primarily based on subsistence agriculture, how do you propose we do that?

Homeworking can only go so far. Plenty of jobs where it just isn't feasible. (IT infrastructure being the most obvious)

edit: You edited your post, so editing mine:

Seriously, living in the Welsh valleys and working in Gloucester? I appreciate the problems involved in finding work but the time is fast approaching where people in a situation like that need to think about whether a new field or a new area to live in is the answer becuase it's becoming increasingly clear that driving across the country every day isn't the answer.

It's not ideal, and once the probationary period is up we would consider moving. Thing is we moved here due to her getting a local job, who then proceeded to screw her over massivly, because she made the mistake of completing all the complicated design work for the new infrastructure and documenting it before the probationary period was us, thus they got rid of her and got someone cheaper to implement it using her written instructions.

After that she worked in Bath for a couple of years, and now Gloucester.

I used to home work, but my company went bankrupt a year ago so now I work in an office in Cardiff.

Even years ago it was like this. When I left school I went to work for GPT, later Marconi. I moved to a house 10 minutes drive from the office, then the local council blocked off one end of my road as it was apparently a "rat run", increasing my commute to 40 minutes. then Marconi went bankrupt.

I guess if your job is a skill that's in demand everywhere and is easy to transfer to a new employer, e.g. burger flipping, then moving is easier.

 

[[TW]Fox]

That would be perfect, but there isn't enough money working in your local village.

Then its time to get used to the idea that in the future, you will need to live near where you want to work rather than work near where you want to live.

I expect to be flamed for these views by people who completely miss the point.

Places are that huge these days you need to drive

No, you need to drive in order to work or live where you choose to. Just because the other choices available to you are not ones you wish to make, doesnt mean choices do not exist.

It's not a nice thing to get your head around, but it really is time to do a bit of long term planning.

 

[[TW]Fox]

Short of returning to a society that is primarily based on subsistence agriculture, how do you propose we do that?

We could cry about fuel prices on the internet.

Meanwhile, back in the real world, you find somewhere to live where both of you can get jobs. You are not a nuclear scientist so this really isn't going to be as hard as you make out. What it might not be is as nice as living in the Welsh Valleys, but nobody said the future was going to be full of roses.

If your skillset is so narrow that you can only work in a very small number of places yet it doesn't pay enough for fuel costs to not be an issue then perhaps a new skillset is something you should plan for the future?

It would be lovely to live where you want to and drive 100 miles a day filling your car up with unleaded fuel at 90p a litre. Sadly this is a thing of the past - people need to think about how they are going to adapt to the changing dynamics of our economy.

 

[Lum]

The problem with working in a specialised field, especially if you are even vaguely senior in that field, is that if you go for a job outside that field employers will be reluctant to hire you.

For example I could easily do a Windows helpdesk phone jockey type job. I'd be able to resolve a lot more calls over the phone at point of first contact than most people who go into that line of work after school, but the employer would look at my history, know damn well that I could be easily earning a lot more in a job closer to my speciality and that I will be gone as soon as such a job comes up.

Also you realise the valleys are a deprived area with high crime and unemployment, right?

Sure living here is a lot nicer than Liverpool, but it's not like we're in Monmouth or anywhere posh!


Edit: It could be worse, the other job she applied for was in Cambridge. That would've meant lodging with friends all week and only seeing each other at weekends.

Edit2: Just to clarify, at the moment we're just at the stage where it's eroding disposable income, meaning we aren't spending so much, something we're constantly told is bad for the economy and contributing to the recession.

 

[rypt]

It would be lovely to live where you want to and drive 100 miles a day filling your car up with unleaded fuel at 90p a litre. Sadly this is a thing of the past - people need to think about how they are going to adapt to the changing dynamics of our economy.

Why must it be a thing of the past ... why can the government not cut duty to that they take in 50% of the price of fuel plus VAT on the price of fuel (so 46p + 23p + 20% of 46p giving a total price of 78.2p)

And do NOT give me the old argument of "where will the other money come from", they can just cut services to levels that are affordable, which means stopping wasting money within NHS & MOD and on benefits

 

[dazz25]

Why must it be a thing of the past ... why can the government not cut duty to that they take in 50% of the price of fuel plus VAT on the price of fuel (so 46p + 23p + 20% of 46p giving a total price of 78.2p)

And do NOT give me the old argument of "where will the other money come from", they can just cut services to levels that are affordable, which means stopping wasting money within NHS & MOD and on benefits

Sorted then!
Sounds really easy to implement. I don't know what the government are thinking!

 

[rypt]

Sorted then!
Sounds really easy to implement. I don't know what the government are thinking!

It IS easy to implement, other countries manage to run on tax levels that are below what we pay in UK.

Look at USA for instance, they tax personal income and fuel far less than us, and if they sorted out the cost issues within the healthcare industry they could even afford NHS style healthcare with their current tax levels.