How many of them have both parents unemployed and have never worked?
Would you baptise your child - school
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How many of them have both parents unemployed and have never worked?
What is the point in the baptism if you can just dismiss it's meaning?
Yea I don't like that either, however you aren't necessarily dooming them to a life of being "poor" but you may be reducing their opportunities and it sounds very prejudice which is never a good thing.
Good to hear
Yea I don't like that either, however you aren't necessarily dooming them to a life of being "poor" but you may be reducing their opportunities and it sounds very prejudice which is never a good thing.
Good to hear
Are you certain that the child must be baptised, none of the CofE or Catholic schools here ask that.
In fact my son went to a CofE primary and is now at a Catholic school (both good schools) and he has never been baptised and as regard the Catholic school they know I'm agnostic as I gave a speech to their 5th Form RE class on comparative Religions and Agnosticism/Atheism from a neutral perspective.
If you are within the catchment I think they are obliged to consider your child.
While I support a schools right to have a specific ethos, I don't support forcing children/parents to baptise/convert to that ethos' faith simply to attend that school.
In fact my son went to a CofE primary and is now at a Catholic school (both good schools) and he has never been baptised and as regard the Catholic school they know I'm agnostic as I gave a speech to their 5th Form RE class on comparative Religions and Agnosticism/Atheism from a neutral perspective.
If you are within the catchment I think they are obliged to consider your child.
While I support a schools right to have a specific ethos, I don't support forcing children/parents to baptise/convert to that ethos' faith simply to attend that school.
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I went to a CofE school, there were plenty of poor kids from the council estate there though that was 30 years ago 
. I really think certain people need to get over themselves a bit on the issue of faith schools. Maybe if faith schools would select more students from poorer backgrounds if the sharp elbowed middle classes didn't falsely baptise their children just to get them into the faith school.
@OP I personally don't think it's right that you make any sort of oath (in front of God or not) that you don't intend to keep. That said, everyone does it these days and you obviously want what's best for your kid so it's understandable I guess. Why not take this opportunity to expand your own view of religion a bit? Maybe the church runs an Alpha course which might help you to understand the ritual of baptism a bit better.
. I really think certain people need to get over themselves a bit on the issue of faith schools. Maybe if faith schools would select more students from poorer backgrounds if the sharp elbowed middle classes didn't falsely baptise their children just to get them into the faith school.@OP I personally don't think it's right that you make any sort of oath (in front of God or not) that you don't intend to keep. That said, everyone does it these days and you obviously want what's best for your kid so it's understandable I guess. Why not take this opportunity to expand your own view of religion a bit? Maybe the church runs an Alpha course which might help you to understand the ritual of baptism a bit better.
Registry office for the same reason, we're not religious.
That certainly isn't the case in the north east. Where do you get this opinion from?
Of the friends I still see now on a regular basis, none. Of all the kids at the school whilst I was there I have no idea?
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As a Christian, no.
"Faith" schools - at least a significantly large number of them - socially select the pupils who can attend. There are a very small number of openly selective schools, and I am not referring to those.
It's just the way it is. The newspapers or government bodies do investigations from time to time and turn up the same results - they look for who will be good pupils.
It's just the way it is. The newspapers or government bodies do investigations from time to time and turn up the same results - they look for who will be good pupils.
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Was only in CoE schools until I was 10 so can't remember a huge amount but there was far amount of bible reading in RE lessons but not much on other religions. My parents offset it by teaching me a lot about foreign culture (the only hobby they have is travel and we used to a lot, and they still do).
Going by some of the trash that went to my school I am far from convinced to be honest.
It's not true Halk, you are correct that some over subscribed schools have been caught selecting by social status by giving questionnaires asking about Parents occupations etc, but that is not the norm and is not legal either.
It is a minority of specific schools and not significant numbers of them.
Not every school will be highly selective. Some schools may not select at all.
Google search turned out this Daily Fail article. Please bear in mind it's the Daily Mail and they are not exactly fair and balanced.
Feel free to search for more information on it if you want.
Nobody really knows though Castiel.
I think these are the facts.
Some schools do socially select
Some schools do not socially select
But nobody can prove the numbers. I suspect it's lots, you don't.. The reason why I suspect it's lots is that they keep getting caught.
Some schools will request a letter from the vicar to confirm that the child attends church. My littles girl's school did. A friend of mine has an 11 year old who wants to move up to a C of E secondary and needs a letter saying she's attended regularly for a year.
Infant baptism is a heresy anyway. Drives me mental that churches entertain the notion.
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Yeah I needed a reference from my vicar for my application, I suspect this is common practice at all CoE schools rather than just being 'baptised', 'christened' and 'confirmed'
I never did, my wife never did, my son never did. We all went to faith schools of one denomination or another. Neither my Son or myself are Christened/Baptised although my Wife is Catholic.
It would be interesting to know what percentage do select this way.