Chopped up for scrap, Britain's £4 billion fleet of Nimrods

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A friend of the family is an engineer that worked on the Nimrod 2000 program.

The whole thing should have been cancelled ages ago. There are better, proven alternatives for significantly less money.

Pork belly military spending at it's finest.

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A friend of the family is an engineer that worked on the Nimrod 2000 program.

The whole thing should have been cancelled ages ago. There are better, proven alternatives for significantly less money.

Pork belly military spending at it's finest.


Agreed: the program was a disaster from the very beginning, being just a another massively expensive way of the government passing tax-payers money to BAe to get a so-called "British" product (most of the computer parts are actually American) rather then buying the American product which already existed.


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I could understand the scrapping of our main maritime patrol aircraft IF there was a replacement on the way/in service we don't.

This is just another way to save money, and its a utter disgrace to our armed forces.

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Sadly, the task was massively underestimated and as usual with BAE was driven by the bean counters and not the engineers when scoping out the job.

We were so far down the road we should have put it into service, a real shame to see it go to waste like this.
 
Totally agree it was a waste of money in the first place but the money has been paid and the aircraft are built and very nearly finished. They could be put into service for not a lot of cost. We don't need 11, keep 5 to fly and 6 broken for spares. The fact these are being chopped up for scrap is just unbelieveable brand new aircraft being sliced up and thrown on the scrap heap. £400 million pound aircarft being turned into a few thousand in scrap. :(
 
Sadly, the task was massively underestimated and as usual with BAE was driven by the bean counters and not the engineers when scoping out the job.

If it had been left to them it would cost even more.

Should have been scrapped a while back. Another example of the cash cow the MOD has become for the nudge nudge wink wink say no more British defence industry. The old boy network appears to set up huge defence contracts without any external vetting. They are just then allowed to go on even if it looks like they will fail. It’s not the first time and it won’t be the last.
 
Doubt it could have cost more. If it was down to the engineers they may have had a real idea of the true cost at the start instead of finding out when it was too late.

Management on Nimrod was shocking and lied to save their own backsides, even when they were being told the harsh truths by the engineers who were working for them.

One example of incompetance was filling an office with design engineers before the IT was ready. They sat there for months unable to do any meaningful work and then the management wondered why their designs were late rofl.
 
Why do people complain about armed forces, mention how its a disgrace to them, and how the government have no clue what they are doing and its a waste of cash.

These contracts are nothing more than old governments proping up the economy in a bad why by ploughing billions into defence companies on projects that often aren't needed, or are MASSIVELY over priced and a complete waste of money.

If someone tells you, you can buy cheaper aircraft, that are better, provide a better service and cost a lot less to run and will save you billions in the long run, you'd ignore it because someone already wastefully built these, wasting more money is the answer to fix wasting less money, fail to see the logic in that.

This is ignoring the questions about if we really require an entire fleet of aircraft burning fuel 24/7 to keep a closer eye on our own people.

Counter terrorism, sorry but a fleet of aircraft isn't going to stop one guy blowing up a bomb. Catching large scale movement of armed forces, sure, one guy with a bomb in his backpack, nope.

Labour's great plan, we need jobs, and our friends in the defence companies need something to build to make them loads and loads of money. Step 1, continue scaremongering in the press/speaches and persuade the public a way to continually monitor everything from the air will somehow protect them. Step 2, send in a massive order for these aircraft, ignoring the debt, the deficit, and the continued long term cost of running these aircraft on a yearly basis, step 3, just keep spending, leave it to the other side to bring the country under financial stability, take the blame for all the cut backs and Labour and all their very very rich defence minstry friends in their new director jobs at the companies who built parts for the planes are all very happy years later.


War is a business, 1st world countries profit from wars and prop up economies on defence spending, none of that means any of it is required.

What would actually be great, or hilarious maybe, would be for Conservatives to just call for public voting, we spend 800billion a year, but can only afford 600 billion spending, you decide what we cut to get spending under control.

1/ heathcare, 2/ police 3/ reconnaissance planes we've lived without before hand and really don't NEED for anything that cost billions a year to run 4/benefits

unfortunately 4/benefits the vote wouldn't get a majority due to the number of people on benefits, and the fact that getting rid of them would leave 1/10th of the population homeless and starving.
 
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Why are we just destroying them and not selling them on?

Sure we won't make the 400Million each we paid for them, but 200million is better than just destroying them surely?
 
You'd be surprised how much aircraft scrap is worth. We'll get more than 50 quid for them;)
 
Why are we just destroying them and not selling them on?

Sure we won't make the 400Million each we paid for them, but 200million is better than just destroying them surely?

They are classed as classified military equipment so they can only be reduced to scrap metal.
They have done it before TSR-2 being a good example. I fully understand the ideas behind the cost of running etc but the 4 aircraft we are buying of the yanks are crap and the running cost only fractionally lower than the Nimrod which the RAF is already set up to run. The fact they are getting these aircraft shows that we cannot be without a reconosance aircraft. The R1 has been one of the most succesfull planes the RAF has had and to replace it with some crappy american prop thing is pointless. Use the MR4A for this role. As I said keep 4 disasemble the other 5 for parts, the RAF have Nimrod trained engineers waiting for jobs.

Anway its to late now here they are this morning awiting the chopper...Say farwell to the worlds most advanced aircraft...Quite ironic it started as the first jet airliner and finishes as the most advanced aircraft ever built..

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I remember seeing a documentary on these aircraft, didn't they have trouble telling the difference between an Apache gunship and a dude on a pushbike on radar?
 
I could understand the scrapping of our main maritime patrol aircraft IF there was a replacement on the way/in service we don't.

Surely there is another alternative already, the Astor project ;). Another ****ing joke that entered service recently 2008 IIRC and is another on the scrappage list. Not bad considering the costs of each one :rolleyes:

http://www.raf.mod.uk/equipment/sentinelr1.cfm
 
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